Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

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I want to build a custom guitar from parts and I was wondering if there is a difference in tone. I'm thinking of using ash as a thick top on a mahogany body.

please answer the following questions:

1. Is there a difference in tone according to you?

2. which do you prefer and why?


thanks in advance!
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

The trees are basically the same genetically. They just develop differently due to growing in different regions. Northern ash tends to grow denser (i.e. heavier), but there is wide variability in all kinds of ash. There can be heavy southern ash and light northern ash. It's a highly variable wood in terms of weight, IME.

I prefer lighter weight woods in general, because the guitars made from it are easier to handle.

As for a tonal difference, there might be one, but nobody ever has, or ever will, prove it beyond a doubt using the proper testing, objective analysis, and review that are needed to prove a theory. It'd be near impossible, due to the scope and the cost of such testing as would be required. Even coming up with a test procedure that would actually prove something would be difficult, given the enormous lack of consistency from one wood blank to the other. I've played good and bad sounding instruments of any kind of common guitar wood. Who knows what makes one sound good and the other sound bad. I don't bother with generalizing the characteristics of "tone wood" any more. If a guitar sounds good, then it sounds good. That's all I need to know. I go for woods based on looks and weight. And when I say looks, it doesn't necessarily mean figuring. I actually prefer more understated wood grain, like plain-top Les Pauls, sunbursts over alder, or a nice, straight mahogany grain.
 
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Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

No difference in sustain. All the swamp ash guitars I have built sound good. Maybe I have been lucky. Can't say that about all the hard ash guitars I have played.
 
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I have a 1982 Strat made out of northern ash. It really has its own thing going on. It lacks the snap of a regular Strat, but it makes up for it with more note bloom and a rich sustain. My Warmoth is swamp ash, and about 3lbs lighter. It has the characteristic snap in the attack.
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

I have a 1982 Strat made out of northern ash. It really has its own thing going on. It lacks the snap of a regular Strat, but it makes up for it with more note bloom and a rich sustain. My Warmoth is swamp ash, and about 3lbs lighter. It has the characteristic snap in the attack.

I made jazzquire partscaster with na (I figured I would play it mostly sitting) and I also want to believe it has particularly good sustain.
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

I've made several guitars out of solid swamp ash and several out of northern ash, and I've made a few with a mahogany body and northern ash top. Unfortunately, there are too many variables involved to make a credible statement about the specific differences in tone...body shape and thickness, any weight relief or chambering, type of neck woods, and especially the pickups.

I will however say that in my experience swamp ash seems to have a very warm and full tone not unlike mahogany. Northern hard ash seems to be a bit brighter and snappier.
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

No difference in sustain. All the swamp ash guitars I have built sound good. Maybe I have been lucky. Can't say that about all the hard ash guitars I have played.

Thanks for the reply.
What didn't you like about the tone of some of the hard ash guitars you built?? Were they too bright?
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

I've made several guitars out of solid swamp ash and several out of northern ash, and I've made a few with a mahogany body and northern ash top. Unfortunately, there are too many variables involved to make a credible statement about the specific differences in tone...body shape and thickness, any weight relief or chambering, type of neck woods, and especially the pickups.

I will however say that in my experience swamp ash seems to have a very warm and full tone not unlike mahogany. Northern hard ash seems to be a bit brighter and snappier.

Thank you for the reply! Did you like the mahogany bodies with northern ash tops??

I have read that hard ash has a lot of bite and snap in the attack and I know mahogany has a lot of growl. I would like to combine those two in one guitar. That's why I'm thinking of a mahogany body with hard ash top, but that would make for a very heavy guitar so I thought I could use swamp ash to get the same tone but get a lighter guitar.
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

How thick is the cap? Like I was saying earlier, unless you have a really thick cap, the regional differences between the same species of wood (especially when variation between individual trees is taken into account) will not make any sort of substantial difference on tone or even the weight of the instrument. Go with whatever you feel would make you more interested in playing the guitar, that's what really matters in this case.
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

The cap looks like a quarter inch on the edge so probably, with the carve in the middle, it started at half inch

The body and the top both are swamp ash

It sounds like a Les Paul
 
Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

Hard ash is denser and that mean it can sound a bit dead sometimes but it means it pretty bright (brighter than swamp) too, I prefer swamp ash as it’s still bright but usually a bit more resonant.
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

I have a 1982 Strat made out of northern ash. It really has its own thing going on. It lacks the snap of a regular Strat, but it makes up for it with more note bloom and a rich sustain. My Warmoth is swamp ash, and about 3lbs lighter. It has the characteristic snap in the attack.

Dave, I have to ask. Do both guitars have the same pickups?
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

Hard northern ash and maple have very similar tonal qualities. If you are going to use it for a cap 1/4 - 1/2" thick, I would recommend maple...there is a smoother grain pattern that is easier to finish (if you want a smooth finish). The ash has a more attractive grain but it's harder to finish. The difference in weight for a cap will not be enough to even consider
 
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The cap looks like a quarter inch on the edge so probably, with the carve in the middle, it started at half inch

The body and the top both are swamp ash

It sounds like a Les Paul

Yes, in my experience swamp ash sounds very similar to mahogany. So, yeah, I would expect your studio to sound like a Les Paul (mahogany).
 
Re: Hard Ash Vs Swamp Ash - Tonal differences??

Nope, not the same pickups. But I was comparing the guitar overall. I have one of each, so it is pretty fair to me. Both guitars sound great to me, too- but just different.
 
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Yes, in my experience swamp ash sounds very similar to mahogany. So, yeah, I would expect your studio to sound like a Les Paul (mahogany).

does swamp ash have the same growly tone and depth as mahogany, or are they quite different?
 
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