haze vs DSL

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well the economic implications of a globalized economy and the ramifications the coming generations will face due to international exploitation is one thing.

****IN ROCK-N-ROLL IS ANOTHER
 
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You ever check out a Carvin Legacy? 100 watt head that can switch to 50 watts. Brand new is $800. Made in USA. Groove tubes. One of the best cleans on a tube. Killer distortion.
 
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FuseG4 said:
The el84's compress a lot in the bass when I play through the "thick" mode. it gets a nice sort of "bluesbreaker" thing goin on, really warm and thick. But the bass leaves when I crank it or boost the front end.
it doesn't do the ROAR that I felt when cranking either the Haze or a Hot Rod Deluxe, or similar amps with bigger/more glass and beefier iron.

Footswitchable channels, an FX loop, and reverb are also missing from the NT
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It seems to me your describing a large closed back cab type of response in general (although the HRD is a combo, it's a relatively big cab). A good 2x12 with a closed back option will work for both the NT and a big glass, tube amp head later on.
 
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FuseG4 said:
it doesn't do the ROAR that I felt when cranking either the Haze or a...
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or a what? or a what? speak up man, this 112 isn't letting me hear ya! :beerchug:

Is the haze a valve amplifier? If it isn't im impressed. nice overdriven sounds!

the MA isn't very convincing... reminds me of my marshall AVT50 :banghead:

Hot Rod Deluxe. You know what the ****'s up.

I believe mesa is out of your price range, is it not?

the haze is my pick, if the hot rod isnt your first choice.
 
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yeah the haze is basically the british-toned el34 version of the HRDx. 40 W, a 12" speaker, a clean channel w/o a master, a drive channel w/ a master and a boost, reverb and an FX loop, 3 12ax7s in the pre.
The HRDx is great and I wanna buy one, just not yet. I'm too in love with british tone right now. That normal channel on the HRDx is fantastic.

Mesas are out of the price range. Someday, maybe once I get my PharmD degree 7 years from now!

So far the Haze is on the top of the list...
All the clips I've heard of the MA series sound good. Makes me wonder why people compare it to a solid state amp.
If I can find an amp with a clean good enough to replace my night train, I may try to trade it for an HRDx. A haze and a HRDx with an ABY box would be pretty sweet!!
 
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yeah I gotta find something with more gain than the night train. The amp has some crunch, that's for sure, but today I dimed the master on the thick mode and started adding preamp gain until the amp squealed, and then rolled back my guitar volume til it stopped. Yeah, some more grind is required, grind with an EQ section.
The lower-gain bright mode sounds tits when I crank the master, though. That's what the amp was meant for, IMO. It's so chimey, punchy, direct, and it cleans up instantly. It just needs to be louder! So after geting a new amp for gain-y material I'm definitely gonna start saving for a 2x12.
 
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Wondering where AstroZombie heard his MA amp that it sounded like an MG. Cuz that's not a correct assessment by my judgement.

A little fizzy on the top end with the gain cranked like an MG but...everything's fizzy on the top end with the gain cranked.
 
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Get a downstairs apartment first off. The Haze sounds nice and so does the Dsl50. I just received my Dsl 50 and it does fairly well at low volume as does the Haze. The Dsl more versatile. No pedals needed and more clean headroom. The Dsl is effectively a 4 channel amp because the clean channel has a crunch switch and the gain channel has an ultra switch.

You need a pedal to cover a wider range on the Haze. The Haze 40 uses 2 El34s and in my experience needs as much volume as the Dsl50. There is no real volume advantage. I advise against the Haze 15 because it does not sound as good to me and no headroom.
 
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I was in vegas for today but I didn't get there til late last night and had to hang with family all day and had to get back to utah in time to hang out with more family!
It was a fun trip but I couldn't make it to a guitar center or anything. I'm a bit miffed but I guess I'll just spend a whole day at one when I go to SLC later this month.
 
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It makes me so sad that there are people in the world that have to work actual jobs and don't get to just mess with amps every day :(

Fuse, man, i know you hate me but you oughta just plug that Night Train into a bigger cabinet first. I A/B'd with the MA50 for a minute thinkin about you at the shop today and that Night Train sounds better at usable volumes.

This was through a 1960A vintage cab, with V30 speakers. I didn't think to do it until we were closing up but tomorrow i'm bringin my les paul and gonna dedicate a good bit of time to this.

I intend to run a Night Train and both MA heads and any JCM2000's i have left through the same 4x12 cabinet and give you the best assessment i can. What kind of tones / riffs do you have in mind so i know what i'm looking for?
 
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Empty Pockets said:
It makes me so sad that there are people in the world that have to work actual jobs and don't get to just mess with amps every day :(

Fuse, man, i know you hate me but you oughta just plug that Night Train into a bigger cabinet first. I A/B'd with the MA50 for a minute thinkin about you at the shop today and that Night Train sounds better at usable volumes.

This was through a 1960A vintage cab, with V30 speakers. I didn't think to do it until we were closing up but tomorrow i'm bringin my les paul and gonna dedicate a good bit of time to this.

I intend to run a Night Train and both MA heads and any JCM2000's i have left through the same 4x12 cabinet and give you the best assessment i can. What kind of tones / riffs do you have in mind so i know what i'm looking for?
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This is the kind of service shops should do... I do this kind of service in my line of work... KUDOS Empty Pockets.
 
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Empty Pockets said:
It makes me so sad that there are people in the world that have to work actual jobs and don't get to just mess with amps every day :(

Fuse, man, i know you hate me but you oughta just plug that Night Train into a bigger cabinet first. I A/B'd with the MA50 for a minute thinkin about you at the shop today and that Night Train sounds better at usable volumes.

This was through a 1960A vintage cab, with V30 speakers. I didn't think to do it until we were closing up but tomorrow i'm bringin my les paul and gonna dedicate a good bit of time to this.

I intend to run a Night Train and both MA heads and any JCM2000's i have left through the same 4x12 cabinet and give you the best assessment i can. What kind of tones / riffs do you have in mind so i know what i'm looking for?
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Wow thanks for helpin me out with this!
OK how can I describe the sound I'm looking for? The night train has some good gain in it, perhaps it's not "more gain" that I'm looking for. Maybe just a similar character but tighter, and more "grind-y". It's like, the thick mode doesn't have the tone stack engaged, and boosting the bright mode sounds nowhere near the same.
Something like the night train but more "presence". Using an EQ pedal in front doesn't seem to be doing the trick, but I'll fool with that more tomorrow.

This is the kinda punk music I play, stuff like this song by Bad Religion.

Listen to the rhythm guitarist in this vid by the j-rock band Buck-Tick. He uses a JCM 800 and maybe some kinda dist. pedal, and I really dig the tone. It's got a lot more "cut" than my night train has at similar gain!
The lead guitarist gets a really nice solo tone but i can't even use a delay pedal with the night train because there's no FX loop.

Listen to this song by j-rock band The Pillows. The lead guitarist uses a blues driver into an Orange OD120. The night train does this kinda sound actually pretty well. I use a Danelectro Cool Cat to Boost the night train. The gain is about 10:30, treble at about 1:00, mids at 8:00, bass 2:30, and volume at 3:00.
The night train's bright mode preamp gain isn't the best thing in the world. The magic comes from the master being past 2:00 or so. See if any of the other amps can get sounds like that with preamp gain, without necessarily having to OD the power section so much. i.e. see if you can get 3 12ax7's to sound like 2 el84s, if you get me.

Play immigrant song. Good LP + Marshall material, IMO.

For the stuff the night train does well that I'm sure it does a lil better than the rest of em, crank the night train on the thick mode. Gain at about 2:30, volume at 3:00. Play with the middle position on your LP with both of the tone controls on 1 or 0. roll the bridge pickup vol. back just a lil to about 8 or 9. Now play "sunshine of your love" and tell me it doesn't completely rule thru the night train! See if the other amps can cop that same kinda thing.



So, think about if those amps get a tighter distortion sound than the NT. Having an amp with more aggressive pre-amp gain and the ability to use it with more FX and with more tone controls at higher gain is what I'm after. Oh and channel switching is nice.

The night train is good and I wanna keep it but I'm looking for something with more modern attitude and features
 
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So I went into my local shop (the better of the 2 in town) w/ my LP and played a HRDx for about 45 min. ZOGM WANT!!!!!!!!
The other shop I used to go play one in would never let me crank it. Well this shop did. And what a difference!
I pushed the normal channel to about 7 and got a really nice mild breakup, and it cleaned up great with just a number or 2 on my vol. control.
The great part was getting to crank the drive channel. That more drive gave me almost everything I needed. It had a very loud, fat, punchy, articulate drive. It had so much of that edgy "grind" I've been looking for. Especially with the gain at about half on the "more drive" setting. It's a bright amp and I ran the presence low but it didn't muffle things up at all. with a lil reverb it was great. just great.
I'm insanely close to just buying one. I can't believe what you get for that price.
I could afford to keep my night train, get a new amp, AND probably have money left for a 2x12 or at least a new speaker to bring out some more chunk from the night train.
We'll see where we go from here. I always new I liked the HRDx but I never knew I liked it THAT much until now. That thing with a 2x12 would be nuts.
 
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been meaning to get back on this thread

dude the Night Train sounds so much better than any of those Marshalls.

If that edgy "grind" you're looking for is what i normally refer to as a "highend buzz" then you can add that to any amp with a fuzz pedal. The high-wattage marshalls had blenty of fizzy buzzy 'grind' to them with the preamp cranked and the master low...doesn't really go away as the master goes up...just adds master volume 'looseness.'

I would get a bigger cabinet and a sweet fuzz box.
 
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unfortunatlely im a lot older but fortunately maybe a little wiser, and can pretty much say that waht you need is a jCM800 reissue. Nothing else will work, except perhaps a Reissue Super reverb, but I read you are more into rawk then roots Blues?
OTOH< if i were you, id wait , spend some more cash, and set my sights on the Soldano Avenger. Keep the nightrain for cleans,.The Avenger will let you get some hot rod JCM tones dialed back on the gain, then when you are ready to outgrow your silly infatuation with Classic rock / heavey metal , the Avenger will move efortlessly into true NU Metal!!!!!Of Course the Avenger is 1800.00.
 
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Empty Pockets said:
been meaning to get back on this thread

dude the Night Train sounds so much better than any of those Marshalls.

If that edgy "grind" you're looking for is what i normally refer to as a "highend buzz" then you can add that to any amp with a fuzz pedal. The high-wattage marshalls had blenty of fizzy buzzy 'grind' to them with the preamp cranked and the master low...doesn't really go away as the master goes up...just adds master volume 'looseness.'

I would get a bigger cabinet and a sweet fuzz box.
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K. I'm set. I'm gonna get an HRDx for the stuff I really like about it, and then keep my NT and get a bigger cab with punchier speakers, get some money for some vintage and new-prod tube rolling, and a fuzz box..

Later when I have more money and am not living in an apartment, I'll go get a JCM800 or maybe the Ceriatone clone.

This should set me straight for a while.

Thanks for all your help guys.
 
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