help!....alnico 2 pro
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Lewguitar
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Anytime you put a quality paf style humbucker (like the AII Pro) in a Fender guitar that Fender guitar will sound more like a Gibson...
There are none that will make it sound like a Les Paul...but it will sound more like a Gibson.
I'm especially taken with the Pearly Gates neck I have in my Fender...but the PGn, Jazz neck, Seth Lover neck, 59n, etc. will all lend more of a Gibson personality to your Fender guitar.
Seymour put the Jazz neck and JB bridge in his Tele.
Lew
Anytime you put a quality paf style humbucker (like the AII Pro) in a Fender guitar that Fender guitar will sound more like a Gibson...
There are none that will make it sound like a Les Paul...but it will sound more like a Gibson.
I'm especially taken with the Pearly Gates neck I have in my Fender...but the PGn, Jazz neck, Seth Lover neck, 59n, etc. will all lend more of a Gibson personality to your Fender guitar.
Seymour put the Jazz neck and JB bridge in his Tele.
Lew
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Here ya go:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=67706&highlight=PGn+Custom
Here ya go:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=67706&highlight=PGn+Custom
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Lewguitar
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It's not glassy...I didn't mean to imply that. When I said in that thread that it reminded me of the sound tapping on a big glass bottle, I was refering to a certain resonance. But it's not a sharp glassy sounding pickup. If you split it into a single coil then it starts to get some of that glassy Strat type tone. But as a humbucker it's not a sharp or glassy sounding pickup. Sorry for the lack of clarity in my description. The Alnico II Pro is usually described here as having more treble than the PG...Christian has commented on the AIIPro quite a bit and said that he found it to have more treble than the PGn, if I remember right. Lew
kaffimann said:
It's not glassy...I didn't mean to imply that. When I said in that thread that it reminded me of the sound tapping on a big glass bottle, I was refering to a certain resonance. But it's not a sharp glassy sounding pickup. If you split it into a single coil then it starts to get some of that glassy Strat type tone. But as a humbucker it's not a sharp or glassy sounding pickup. Sorry for the lack of clarity in my description. The Alnico II Pro is usually described here as having more treble than the PG...Christian has commented on the AIIPro quite a bit and said that he found it to have more treble than the PGn, if I remember right. Lew
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To my ears the APH has more treble than the PG but, the APH is warmer in the neck position than the PG!
To my ears the APH has more treble than the PG but, the APH is warmer in the neck position than the PG!
Re: help!....alnico 2 pro
The APH has treble, have never heard it with 250k and in my old, fat, mean LP - I sometimes wish the bridge was wound a bit hotter and the neck was a little less muddy.
That being said, they are the one set I have recorded the most, and never really sought to change. They have a mojo to them that I can never really let go. Needless to say, they are the first time I haven't swapped in over a year. That tells me there is something righteous there.
Had to add that.
Oh, and BTW they make an LP sound like Slash - but what does that mean? A classic LP / Marshall tone? No one owns that, not after this many years.
The PG on the other hand. Amazing tone, but a very different spice than the APH. It's like getting a killer Burrito (yeah, I live in LA) and going mild then the PG would be the same Burrito with peppers and hot sauce. So if you don't like that extra spice, which in this case is the sizzle on the PG upper mids, you will not handle it. Otherwise, the tightness of the PG combined with the classic tone is reallllllll nice and full. (BTW I use 2 PG bridge models)
The APH has treble, have never heard it with 250k and in my old, fat, mean LP - I sometimes wish the bridge was wound a bit hotter and the neck was a little less muddy.
That being said, they are the one set I have recorded the most, and never really sought to change. They have a mojo to them that I can never really let go. Needless to say, they are the first time I haven't swapped in over a year. That tells me there is something righteous there.
Had to add that.
Oh, and BTW they make an LP sound like Slash - but what does that mean? A classic LP / Marshall tone? No one owns that, not after this many years.
The PG on the other hand. Amazing tone, but a very different spice than the APH. It's like getting a killer Burrito (yeah, I live in LA) and going mild then the PG would be the same Burrito with peppers and hot sauce. So if you don't like that extra spice, which in this case is the sizzle on the PG upper mids, you will not handle it. Otherwise, the tightness of the PG combined with the classic tone is reallllllll nice and full. (BTW I use 2 PG bridge models)
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Boy...I just don't hear the PGn that way.
All this talk about peppers and hot sauce and sizzle and everything...I just don't hear that when I play my Strat with the PGn.
I just hear a really good neck pickup that's not muddy and which sounds just right in terms of treble and which sounds great as humbucker but also sounds great split into a single coil when I want a clearer and more Stratty tone for Hendrix stuff or just clean rythym.
It also has a nice open resonance to the mids but it's also thick enough in the mids that soloing with the PGn is cool too!
Lew
OlinMusic said:
Boy...I just don't hear the PGn that way.
All this talk about peppers and hot sauce and sizzle and everything...I just don't hear that when I play my Strat with the PGn.I just hear a really good neck pickup that's not muddy and which sounds just right in terms of treble and which sounds great as humbucker but also sounds great split into a single coil when I want a clearer and more Stratty tone for Hendrix stuff or just clean rythym.
It also has a nice open resonance to the mids but it's also thick enough in the mids that soloing with the PGn is cool too!
Lew
Voxman
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let`s put it this way, i love the feel and the looks of my `72 tele deluxe......i really want it to sound more like a les paul custom.
I know it`s hard to make a tele sound like a LPC,but gimme some of that thight bottom ,lovley mids and that ringing tone.
let`s put it this way, i love the feel and the looks of my `72 tele deluxe......i really want it to sound more like a les paul custom.
I know it`s hard to make a tele sound like a LPC,but gimme some of that thight bottom ,lovley mids and that ringing tone.
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Lewguitar
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Re: help!....alnico 2 pro
Go for a 59n then. When most people think of a Les Paul Custom it's one from the 60's, 70's or 80's and would most likely have had Gibson pickups in it similar to the 59's.
Lew
kaffimann said:
Go for a 59n then. When most people think of a Les Paul Custom it's one from the 60's, 70's or 80's and would most likely have had Gibson pickups in it similar to the 59's.
Lew
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dasfonzie
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I have a set on Alnico Pro 2s in my Strat. I love em. Best humbuckers I've ever heard, including antiquities. I was playing a Les P aul Jr. (p90s, mahogany body) at Gutar Center yesterday and I can get a very similar tone with my Strat. I like turning the tone down on the bridge pickup and playing it really clean. Real nice smooth jazz sound.
I have a set on Alnico Pro 2s in my Strat. I love em. Best humbuckers I've ever heard, including antiquities. I was playing a Les P aul Jr. (p90s, mahogany body) at Gutar Center yesterday and I can get a very similar tone with my Strat. I like turning the tone down on the bridge pickup and playing it really clean. Real nice smooth jazz sound.
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Lewguitar
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IMO, it's hard to go wrong with the AIIPros, PGs or Seth Lovers...they're all so good in a Les Paul! Lew
dasfonzie said:
IMO, it's hard to go wrong with the AIIPros, PGs or Seth Lovers...they're all so good in a Les Paul! Lew
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I play hard rock, r&b, and country. When I sing it's usually hard rock or R&B though I have placed done 2 dance tracks in Europe - go figure.
I know what Lew means, but the PG has some hot sauce on it IMHO ESP if you compare it to the APH1.
I have owned 4 APH1s and just recently went PG on LEW's advice (on this forum), as well as Scott over at SD. I think the PG sounds open and great but it's too rude to call it sweet. The Seths sounded sweet, the APH is fat and sweet, but the PGs always have this bit of hot sauce on them (more in the bridge than the neck). It's NOT a bad thing. I have had Dimarzios that had some fizz to them. THIS IS NOT FIZZ. It's a sort of kick to it that cuts thru. It's that hot sauce that keeps it from being
I didn't mean to say they are EN FUEGO, just some hot sauce. You gotta understand, I can eat some spice, so a little kick doesn't burn my mouth, it just tastes good. When you are used to hot sauce, then anything less tastes bland.
My best comparison is that the attitude and mids on PG made any amp I play thru kinda have a little Marshall midrange attitude. I liked that. For me it's like some weird pedal that makes even my Rivera or a Fender have a little bold attitude. APHs are too sweet and classic and fat with some chimey top and sponge, so they don't offer that same attitude. The PGs have sponge but not like the APH. I always felt that SLASH has the POSTER CHILD tone for the APH. I can hear it soooooo clearly.
I can tell you this - my old Marshall, a Variac, and mayyyybe an OCD (or maybe not), Vintage 30s or G12H30s and you have this classic brown sound type tone that is amazing. I have A/B'd it against many other amp combos and pup combos and every time I get a gig, that's the request I get. I am not sure if it's people just trippin' bc they see vintage gear - but it does have mojo.
The PGs are unique, where as the APH is very bread and butter to me. The APH is a well priced, great sounding pup that works in almost anything, as long as you don't need shredding cut and grind from a pup. The PGs are amazing but some people actually HATE them. I can see why, there is a high mid thing that you CANNOT DIAL OUT. Either you love it, can live with it, or it's not your sound.
I will add lastly (in this rambling) that the PG's are a lot tighter under extreme gain. It's easier to do the metal CHUNK.
I play hard rock, r&b, and country. When I sing it's usually hard rock or R&B though I have placed done 2 dance tracks in Europe - go figure.
I know what Lew means, but the PG has some hot sauce on it IMHO ESP if you compare it to the APH1.
I have owned 4 APH1s and just recently went PG on LEW's advice (on this forum), as well as Scott over at SD. I think the PG sounds open and great but it's too rude to call it sweet. The Seths sounded sweet, the APH is fat and sweet, but the PGs always have this bit of hot sauce on them (more in the bridge than the neck). It's NOT a bad thing. I have had Dimarzios that had some fizz to them. THIS IS NOT FIZZ. It's a sort of kick to it that cuts thru. It's that hot sauce that keeps it from being
I didn't mean to say they are EN FUEGO, just some hot sauce. You gotta understand, I can eat some spice, so a little kick doesn't burn my mouth, it just tastes good. When you are used to hot sauce, then anything less tastes bland.
My best comparison is that the attitude and mids on PG made any amp I play thru kinda have a little Marshall midrange attitude. I liked that. For me it's like some weird pedal that makes even my Rivera or a Fender have a little bold attitude. APHs are too sweet and classic and fat with some chimey top and sponge, so they don't offer that same attitude. The PGs have sponge but not like the APH. I always felt that SLASH has the POSTER CHILD tone for the APH. I can hear it soooooo clearly.
I can tell you this - my old Marshall, a Variac, and mayyyybe an OCD (or maybe not), Vintage 30s or G12H30s and you have this classic brown sound type tone that is amazing. I have A/B'd it against many other amp combos and pup combos and every time I get a gig, that's the request I get. I am not sure if it's people just trippin' bc they see vintage gear - but it does have mojo.
The PGs are unique, where as the APH is very bread and butter to me. The APH is a well priced, great sounding pup that works in almost anything, as long as you don't need shredding cut and grind from a pup. The PGs are amazing but some people actually HATE them. I can see why, there is a high mid thing that you CANNOT DIAL OUT. Either you love it, can live with it, or it's not your sound.
I will add lastly (in this rambling) that the PG's are a lot tighter under extreme gain. It's easier to do the metal CHUNK.
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Lewguitar
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Re: help!....alnico 2 pro
You know what? You're right!:arms: :arms: :arms:
And I agree with you about the Seth Lover too. When my jazz playing buddy plugged in my Hamer Monoco Super Pro with the Seth Lover neck pickup he was blown away and just kept going on and on about how it had this sweet FAT tone.
The Seth does seem FATTER and SWEETER than the PGn I'm using now.
But I have never heard the PG as being this sizzling bright pickup that it gets described as being. I just don't hear it sounding that way. To me, it just sounds like a great old 50's paf!
Anyways...thanks! I think we're on the same page after all.
Lew
OlinMusic said:
You know what? You're right!:arms: :arms: :arms:
And I agree with you about the Seth Lover too. When my jazz playing buddy plugged in my Hamer Monoco Super Pro with the Seth Lover neck pickup he was blown away and just kept going on and on about how it had this sweet FAT tone.
The Seth does seem FATTER and SWEETER than the PGn I'm using now.
But I have never heard the PG as being this sizzling bright pickup that it gets described as being. I just don't hear it sounding that way. To me, it just sounds like a great old 50's paf!
Anyways...thanks! I think we're on the same page after all.
Lew
dr.barlo
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Re: help!....alnico 2 pro
I have a fat tele on which I have tried various neck PAF clones. I tried an a2p-n, pg-n, 59-n, timbucker neck version, ... The neck scale makes a very noticable difference.
The pickup that made this tele sound most like a LP neck tone was an antiquity neck HB. Can achieve magnificient results. The runner-up was a 8.00K pearly gates bridge followed by a 7.80K Gibson Burstbucker #1.
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kaffimann said:
I have a fat tele on which I have tried various neck PAF clones. I tried an a2p-n, pg-n, 59-n, timbucker neck version, ... The neck scale makes a very noticable difference.
The pickup that made this tele sound most like a LP neck tone was an antiquity neck HB. Can achieve magnificient results. The runner-up was a 8.00K pearly gates bridge followed by a 7.80K Gibson Burstbucker #1.
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