Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

jb5150

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The guitar is a Jackson Soloist Pro (one-piece design) with mahogany body and floyd trem. The JB SD I currently have in there is a really nice pu, great sustain, harmonic overtones, and bottom end but I find it's a bit too bright (harsh at times despite rolling off the treble on the EQ).

I love the original VH tone, and while I find the JB is close, it just doesn't quite cut it. From what I understand the 78' was the PU SD designed from Eddie's frankenstein, and the custom Custom is a hotter sounding PU geared more toward his tone from 1984 onward (which is primarily the "early" sound I am chasing after). The Frankie, to me seems like a hotter version of the 78' with a higher DC, while the Custom Custom seems to sit somewhere in between (not sure if this is a fair comparison), but closer to the Frankie. I did hear the youtube videos of a board member here demoing both the 78' and Frankie, and it seemed to me the Frankie was a bit hotter sounding but the 78' slightly clearer however the amp volume was set way too low making it hard to make a clear distinction between the two PUs; both have that mid-range punch I am looking for. The Custom Custom sounds like a kickass PU too.

Although I am an a bit of a EVH-head, I do understand that much of his sound is in his style of playing. I am currently playing through a Peavey 5150 combo, a boss gt-8, and a BBE Sonic Maximizer. I am getting a tone similar to the F.U.C.K. album now more than anything, and would like to move away a bit from that more compressed tone to the gritty sound he was noted for back in the day. Despite having the 5150 which is supposedly modeled off a SLO-100, I think I'd be more successful going for the older sound with a more raw setup given the type of guitar I am using and seeing as I don't have the money to invest in a Eventide harmonizer at this time.

LONG story short, 78', CC, or Frankie (if you can think of anything else to throw into the mix, go right ahead)? Also, what will be the key characteristic sound differences between the JB and any of the aforementioned PUs?

Thus far I'm leaning toward the CC, ever-so-slightly, as to me it seems somewhere in between the two (if that's a fair comparison because sonically it may be quite different). Ultimately at some point I'll just have to bite the bullet and find out by putting one of these PUs in my guitar and learn to live with that decision. However, any input as to which PU would be most suited for my guitar (e.g. being mahogany) and tonal needs would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
 
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Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

PG
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A2P
These work great with a mahogany and are close to early evh tone and his pup's specs
I've red the 78 is a tad darker, probably made for hard ash body...you need a bright, paf style pup for evh and mahogany IMO

http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32068
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

PG
59
A2P
These work great with a mahogany and are close to early evh tone and his pup's specs
I've red the 78 is a tad darker, probably made for hard ash body...you need a bright, paf style pup for evh and mahogany IMO

http://forum.metroamp.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=32068

Funny you should suggest the 59' as I was strongly considering it at the time I got my JB. I may be mistaken, but it isn't a very hot sounding pickup and I was afraid it'd sound weak in my guitar.

Are the PB and A2P SD PUs (not finding them on the site)?
 
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In order:

'78 (brighter than the JB, chewy in the low end, not thumping definition...lower output)
EVH (similar to the '78, but hotter and a little more compressed)
Pearly Gates (kind of close to the '78, but the low end is more defined and not as chewy, midrange is a slightly different voice)

I think a CC will be too dark in a Mahogany neck-through.

Remove tone control from the circuit. Get a no-load control or push-pull/push-push pot and wire for a bypass...a single 500K volume control is almost a requirement for the EVH tone.

That is as close as you will get with that guitar. EVH tone is fairly bright.

EDIT: If you like the JB, just try a tone control bypass and see what that does for you (yes, it makes that much of a difference).
 
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The '78 is aggressive and can be bright and sharp. I am actually close to ripping mine out in favor of an Antiquity bridge. In a tremolo guitar this is definitely too thin. It is my understanding that this pickup is for people who want to mimic EVH's hardtail, not the Floyd guitars.

The CC is totally different and lacks any form of clean treble in a Les Paul, although I imagine it's cool with a Floyd. Very fat, smooth distorted sound that doesn't fizzle out.

Never played the Fender EVH pickup but it is a pickup like the CC, not the '78.
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

Never played the Fender EVH pickup but it is a pickup like the CC, not the '78.

I played one, in the replica...it is tonally much closer to the '78 than the CC.
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

In order:

'78 (brighter than the JB, chewy in the low end, not thumping definition...lower output)
EVH (similar to the '78, but hotter and a little more compressed)
Pearly Gates (kind of close to the '78, but the low end is more defined and not as chewy, midrange is a slightly different voice)

I think a CC will be too dark in a Mahogany neck-through.

Remove tone control from the circuit. Get a no-load control or push-pull/push-push pot and wire for a bypass...a single 500K volume control is almost a requirement for the EVH tone.

That is as close as you will get with that guitar. EVH tone is fairly bright.

EDIT: If you like the JB, just try a tone control bypass and see what that does for you (yes, it makes that much of a difference).
Pardon my ignorance but how do I know if the guitar doesn't already have a 500k volume control? From what I've read, the 500k volume control will give me a brighter tone. If this is the case, then would the CC be a viable option?

I like the JB, but I find it lacks a bit of that mid-range punch and smoothness that I'd possibly get with any of the aforementioned PUs. When you say the CC will sound "too dark" in my axe, do you mean it'll have almost no brightness? So, in theory, if I add the 500k volume pot, this should be resolved?

The guitar has 1 humbucker and 2 singles, Would this suffice http://www.guitarcenter.com/DiMarzio-500K-Custom-Taper-Split-Shaft-Pot-364666-i1130468.gc ?

Damn, I'm so confused! I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN, DOH!
 
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Your Jackson should be a 500K Volume and a 500K tone control (or maybe a third 500K tone depending on model).

When you bypass the tone control(s) you decrease the loading on the circuit due to less pots....a no-load control will not load the circuit either when turned all the way up.

When you reduce the circuit load, the response is brighter and more lively...kind of like a dose of caffeine for your guitar.

Some guys, for example, will change out 500K controls for 250K controls to fatten and darken the sound a bit...
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

Your Jackson should be a 500K Volume and a 500K tone control (or maybe a third 500K tone depending on model).

When you bypass the tone control(s) you decrease the loading on the circuit due to less pots....a no-load control will not load the circuit either when turned all the way up.

When you reduce the circuit load, the response is brighter and more lively...kind of like a dose of caffeine for your guitar.

Some guys, for example, will change out 500K controls for 250K controls to fatten and darken the sound a bit...

How do I know if the pot isn't already 500k? And given the fact that it already seems VERY bright, would you go with any of the PUs I mentioned?

EDIT: Ok, I see the pot has a "#50K0" on it, I put "#" because there's a wire soldiered right over top of it, which I'm assuming is a 2. lol

I'm also going to assume that by changing the pot with the JB still in there, it's going to be sickeningly bright. So this is probably something I'll want to do when I change PUs.
 
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How do I know if the pot isn't already 500k? And given the fact that it already seems VERY bright, would you go with any of the PUs I mentioned?

EDIT: Ok, I see the pot has a "#50K0" on it, I put "#" because there's a wire soldiered right over top of it, which I'm assuming is a 2. lol

If you think the JB is bright, I don't think you wouldn't like using a tone similar to EVH's older tones....they are low output, very dynamic, bright tones.
 
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If you think the JB is bright, I don't think you wouldn't like using a tone similar to EVH's older tones....they are low output, very dynamic, bright tones.

I don't mind "bright", I just find the JB as though it has too much presence, if that makes any sense, regardless of how much I tweak via EQ on the amp or on the gt-8 itself. I find the brightness to be harsh - maybe the PU height isn't set properly, I don't know. I think overall the JB just isn't giving me that characteristic VH tone that I'm looking for - it's a whole other beast altogether suited to a different type of sound. It does seem a bit too trebly even with a dry setup.

Would you say the difference between a Custom Custom and JB is pretty dramatic, or more on the subtle side of things?
 
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I don't mind "bright", I just find the JB as though it has too much presence, if that makes any sense, regardless of how much I tweak via EQ on the amp or on the gt-8 itself. I find the brightness to be harsh - maybe the PU height isn't set properly, I don't know. I think overall the JB just isn't giving me that characteristic VH tone that I'm looking for - it's a whole other beast altogether suited to a different type of sound. It does seem a bit too trebly even with a dry setup.

You may be hearing the upper-mid spike that the JB has. It used to annoy me, until I started running them with just a single volume control....strangely, it may now be my perfect pickup (after 20 years of pulling them out for other models).

For characteristic VH tone, the '78 is as close as it gets, but the amp is the rest of the equation.
 
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Would you say the difference between a Custom Custom and JB is pretty dramatic, or more on the subtle side of things?

I would suspect that the CC will be much different than the JB, I haven't really latched onto the CC, but I do like the Custom and Custom 5 (they are all the same pup, just different magnets)
 
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You may be hearing the upper-mid spike that the JB has. It used to annoy me, until I started running them with just a single volume control....strangely, it may now be my perfect pickup (after 20 years of pulling them out for other models).

For characteristic VH tone, the '78 is as close as it gets, but the amp is the rest of the equation.

You think the 78' with a 500k pot will give me similar harmonic overtones that I'm getting with the JB? (wish I had the stats on the JB, can't find them anywhere). Would you say of the 3 PUs I mentioned, one of them stands-out more than the others in terms of versatility in playing different styles?
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

Mariecla at SD is telling me to go with the 78'. I'll likely end up changing the volume pot to one that's 500k as Binner suggested should I choose to go with this PU.

Binner, thanks for the help. Ultimately I'll have to get one and if it sounds like ass (which I'm hoping it wont as I've yet to read any negative reviews), then I'll swallow the $160.

IM1 is being suggested too, however I know nothing about it.
 
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I played one, in the replica...it is tonally much closer to the '78 than the CC.

How is that possible given it's a medium wind awg43 like a Custom?
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

How is that possible given it's a medium wind awg43 like a Custom?

I don't know, I don't build them...I play them, I trust my ears quite a bit these days.
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

IM1 is being suggested too, however I know nothing about it.

The IM1 is a custom shop piece that would get you similar results to the EVH/Fender pup....

Which reminds me that I have to order one of those yet.
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

Ok guys, I can see there's no simple answer.

If you were me, and had this particular guitar and wanted the VH tone similar to what he had on 1984 and 5150 albums (assuming you're even familiar with them), what would you do PU wise (78' as suggested by MJ, CC, Frankie replica issued by fender, stay with my JB, or other)?

(Yes, I'm expecting to get 10 different answer lol)

And on a totally separate note, which one, to you is the coolest sounding pickup of the bunch?
 
Re: Help me choose between SD 78', Custom Custom, and EVH Frankie Replica

and wanted the VH tone similar to what he had on 1984 and 5150 albums

For those: IM1 or the Fender EVH (CC is a popular choice for those too)
For earlier tones: '78

Easy....
 
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