Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
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skyydogg01
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Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
yes, it's possible but you need a superswitch.
you may need to switch your hot and ground to the red and white (i don't know which one goes where) but theoretically this diagram will work. good luck
yes, it's possible but you need a superswitch.
you may need to switch your hot and ground to the red and white (i don't know which one goes where) but theoretically this diagram will work. good luck
Kommerzbassist
Thunderbirdologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
I tried before and you cant do it with the normal switches... i can look at the Superswitch though
I tried before and you cant do it with the normal switches... i can look at the Superswitch though
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
Unfortunately, skydogg and kommerz are correct.
(Not unfortunate that they're correct - unfortunate that you can't do it with a standard 5-way.) :laugh2:
I'm not sure if a Mega switch will do it, just because I've never had one of those in my hand. Depending on how big of a hurry you're in, by coincidence, I'm ordering one for myself next week. A Superswitch will definitely do it.
However, there are a couple of interesting things you can do with a standard 5-way. And, if you're a bit of a "tinkerer" and fabricator, which I believe you are, you can get what you want. If you can get one little micro-switch to activate when the 5-way is in the #3 position, you can get the functionality you asked about. I'm talking about a switch thats something like this:
Jameco micro-switch
That switch is less than an inch long. If you can make that switch activate, while the 5-way is in the #3 position, you can have your cake and eat it too.
Let me know, and we'll go from there. I have a couple other little ideas, (one that I'm using right now on my own Strat), but I need to find the diagram. It gets you very close to that functionality, with no mods.
I'll find it shortly.
Zerberus said:Hmm, can it be done with a Megaswitch?? I don´t have access to a SUper, but Megas I can get..
But I´m really interested in what Artie can cook up, if....he and Kent are my wiring gurus :headbang:
Unfortunately, skydogg and kommerz are correct.
(Not unfortunate that they're correct - unfortunate that you can't do it with a standard 5-way.) :laugh2:
I'm not sure if a Mega switch will do it, just because I've never had one of those in my hand. Depending on how big of a hurry you're in, by coincidence, I'm ordering one for myself next week. A Superswitch will definitely do it.
However, there are a couple of interesting things you can do with a standard 5-way. And, if you're a bit of a "tinkerer" and fabricator, which I believe you are, you can get what you want. If you can get one little micro-switch to activate when the 5-way is in the #3 position, you can get the functionality you asked about. I'm talking about a switch thats something like this:
Jameco micro-switch
That switch is less than an inch long. If you can make that switch activate, while the 5-way is in the #3 position, you can have your cake and eat it too.
Let me know, and we'll go from there. I have a couple other little ideas, (one that I'm using right now on my own Strat), but I need to find the diagram. It gets you very close to that functionality, with no mods.
I'll find it shortly.
Kommerzbassist
Thunderbirdologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
ok just tried it and I found no possibility to wire it up with a 4 Pole Superswitch.. because only the option to split either coil a, coil b or none of the mid takes two poles, the other two are used for the neck and bridge pups and you have to send the not selected coils to ground which would take another one or two poles... (didn't look at that yet)
of course you could always tap the same coil of the mid pup in either 2 or 4, but that would kill the hum cancelling effect in one of these...
ok just tried it and I found no possibility to wire it up with a 4 Pole Superswitch.. because only the option to split either coil a, coil b or none of the mid takes two poles, the other two are used for the neck and bridge pups and you have to send the not selected coils to ground which would take another one or two poles... (didn't look at that yet)
of course you could always tap the same coil of the mid pup in either 2 or 4, but that would kill the hum cancelling effect in one of these...
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
Kommerz, I gotta disagree with you on that one buddy.
I've got the complete functionality that he's asking for with a standard 5-way, except for the need for one simple SPST switch. Using a Superswitch would be overkill. I'll post a diagram here in a few minutes.
Kommerz, I gotta disagree with you on that one buddy.
I've got the complete functionality that he's asking for with a standard 5-way, except for the need for one simple SPST switch. Using a Superswitch would be overkill. I'll post a diagram here in a few minutes.
Kommerzbassist
Thunderbirdologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
ok then I'm curious what you have
Ok now I know how it'd work with that extra switch, but you cant do that with a normal 2 pole 5 way switch.. you'll need the 4 pole superswitch... at least I think...
no wait... yes it could go wuth a normal switch too... but then you'll need a dpst... omg my brain is wierd...
ok then I'm curious what you have
Ok now I know how it'd work with that extra switch, but you cant do that with a normal 2 pole 5 way switch.. you'll need the 4 pole superswitch... at least I think...
no wait... yes it could go wuth a normal switch too... but then you'll need a dpst... omg my brain is wierd...
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Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
Ok, look at this diagram. Its the standard way to achieve split coils with a 5-way. This is, more or less, the same thing shown in the SD schematics:
The only "problem" with that, if you want to call it that, is that the middle pickup isn't split in the #2 and #4 positions. Which would be fine if the middle was a single coil.
So, to solve that, we add a micro-switch, like so:
Now here's the trick. That micro-switch is wired using the "common" and "normally-closed" (NC) contacts. Its mounted in such a way that its only pressed when in the #3 position. So, the middle pickup is in a "split" mode all the time, except when its selected by itself - #3. We don't care that its split in the #1 and #5 positions, because it isn't being used then.
So you get:
1. neck
2. neck (split) with middle (split)
3. middle
4. middle (split) with bridge (split)
5. bridge.
As you can see, you only need add that one additional contact with the superswitch. The logical thing to do is just ground the red/white wire of the middle in the #2 and #4 positions. I can make a diagram of that also, if needed.
Artie
Ok, look at this diagram. Its the standard way to achieve split coils with a 5-way. This is, more or less, the same thing shown in the SD schematics:
The only "problem" with that, if you want to call it that, is that the middle pickup isn't split in the #2 and #4 positions. Which would be fine if the middle was a single coil.
So, to solve that, we add a micro-switch, like so:
Now here's the trick. That micro-switch is wired using the "common" and "normally-closed" (NC) contacts. Its mounted in such a way that its only pressed when in the #3 position. So, the middle pickup is in a "split" mode all the time, except when its selected by itself - #3. We don't care that its split in the #1 and #5 positions, because it isn't being used then.
So you get:
1. neck
2. neck (split) with middle (split)
3. middle
4. middle (split) with bridge (split)
5. bridge.
As you can see, you only need add that one additional contact with the superswitch. The logical thing to do is just ground the red/white wire of the middle in the #2 and #4 positions. I can make a diagram of that also, if needed.
Artie
Kommerzbassist
Thunderbirdologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
Crap... I just figured out you can use the same coil of the mid pup in either 2 or 4 because it's the only one that has to be rw/rp.... I'm dumb...
Crap... I just figured out you can use the same coil of the mid pup in either 2 or 4 because it's the only one that has to be rw/rp.... I'm dumb...
Kommerzbassist
Thunderbirdologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
Artie...
But this would work too I think... without the need for an extra switch... just one 4 pole superswitch... poles 2 & 4 could be merged though... but I'm not sure about the phasing with that...
Artie...
But this would work too I think... without the need for an extra switch... just one 4 pole superswitch... poles 2 & 4 could be merged though... but I'm not sure about the phasing with that...
skyydogg01
Active member
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
thank you artie. it's great to hear props from the "wire diagram master"
thank you artie. it's great to hear props from the "wire diagram master"
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
Hmm, some great Ideas in this thread.....But I think I´ll wait until Artie has his megaswitch and then order one myself if it works
How close can I get? I´m thinking "Standad" H-S-H wiring, but then positions 2 and 4 wouldn´t be hum canceling....Hmmmm....
Hmm, some great Ideas in this thread.....But I think I´ll wait until Artie has his megaswitch and then order one myself if it works
How close can I get? I´m thinking "Standad" H-S-H wiring, but then positions 2 and 4 wouldn´t be hum canceling....Hmmmm....
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
I'll probably be placing my order on Wed. or Thurs. I need to figure out what parts I need for one other project, but I'm working on a ship this whole week, so I'm not sure I'll have as much time to work it out as usual.
They're funny about that. When I'm on a ship, they actually want me to work on the ship . . . not guitars. :laugh2:
I'll probably be placing my order on Wed. or Thurs. I need to figure out what parts I need for one other project, but I'm working on a ship this whole week, so I'm not sure I'll have as much time to work it out as usual.
They're funny about that. When I'm on a ship, they actually want me to work on the ship . . . not guitars. :laugh2:
Bigguy1305
New member
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
I'm trying to put a switch (on/on/on) on my humbucker so I can get every posicion on it. But I can't get the connections right
I'm trying to put a switch (on/on/on) on my humbucker so I can get every posicion on it. But I can't get the connections right
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
Like this for series/parallel/split operation:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/hum_1vol_series-split-par.html
. . . and like this if you want to add reverse-phase capability:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/series_split_par_w_phase.html
Bigguy1305 said:
Like this for series/parallel/split operation:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/hum_1vol_series-split-par.html
. . . and like this if you want to add reverse-phase capability:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/series_split_par_w_phase.html
Bigguy1305
New member
Re: Help, need a wiring diagram (Artie? Kent?)
I want the first on to be the north coil, 2 to be in series and 3 for the south. Got anything on this.
I want the first on to be the north coil, 2 to be in series and 3 for the south. Got anything on this.
