Hey, guys who were playing in the 80's....

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The MIJ Focus series Kramers were made by ESP. The MIA 'American' Kramers were ESP parts assembled in the US. If you look at early ESP superstrats they are very similar in construction to late 80s MIA Kramers.

Not all of the USA Kramers used ESP parts. For example, my neck (1984/5 Pacer) was made by Sports. Lasido, the makers of Godin guitars, also made parts for Kramer.
 
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Even the plywood Barrettas?

Those were Strikers.

Strikers were the entry level line of guitars. Complete garbage.

The Focus series was the mid-level. Not bad, but not as good a the MIA Kramer models. They were equivalent to Ibanez in their day.
 
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Not all of the USA Kramers used ESP parts. For example, my neck (1984/5 Pacer) was made by Sports. Lasido, the makers of Godin guitars, also made parts for Kramer.
1984/85 was a transition period. That is why. During that time, ESP, Sports and Lasido made bodies and necks for Kramer to fill the demand. By 85-86, it was all ESP. ESP was supplying necks as early as 1983 to Kramer. Is your neck stamped? Just curious how you know for sure your neck was made by Sports. Everybody I've talked to about finding that out per instrument says it could any of the three. The only definites are the very early 80's models and the "pointy" era.
 
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Yours would be a striker series. I had a grey striker series 100st, which was basically a baretta with a ply body.

Focus series: MIJ by ESP
'American' series: Assembled in the US out of ESP parts
Striker series: MIK
Hmmm, the metal plate on the back covering the neck bolts says Kramer, Neptune NJ, USA.
 
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ErikH, thanks dude, all forgot about that website, its definetly this one: "Overseas Neckplate
The FB serial number indicates that this was probably a Ferrignton neckplate. Also, this neckplate will not fit ANY American model Kramer. These are the smallest in width compared to others, and are also the same size as the Striker and Aerostar plates."
But my serial number begins with "NS" so ...
 
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Totally agree that this thread is cool.

On that note, yes there was good and bad. You could get vintage gear cheap back then, but who the heck was that much of a visionary?
Guitars are kinda mixed as well. there was never near of a selection as there is now, but some of the MIJ guitars of then are built as good as USA ones now. My Ibanez RoadstarII with Floyd is as good as the Satriani models now. IMHO.
Lots of cheese but lots of cool stuff as well.Then people were constantly trying to top Van halen and make the next revoloutionary guitar design. Now things are too focused on vintage, but have been making improvments lately. I Just remember digging all the color options then, body designs, whacked out Floyd type bridges.
Plus things were really new then. The Shred thing had NOT been done yet, so it was peaking then. Very exciting time. Before Malmsteen.........there was no Malmsteen. Kids now listen to him and think " so he plays a million notes a minute, who cares?". But then when he came out we all just let our jaws drop. Even more with Halen.
Very very exciting time.
The chicks were cool in leather and digging Priest. When the pretty boy look got outta hand, yes it did get silly. But over all it was cool.

There was ALOT more emotional music made then i think. Has anyone compared the amount of slow/love songs of then compared to now???!! i keep saying this and no one listens. There are like NO slow songs anymore. Its like emotion has died or something. I personally liked the emotional cheesy stuff.

SS then was horrible. I remember that we would just upgrade our SS combos then. From Crate to Carlsbro, to Peavey to finally Marshall. But i must admit those Marshall SS that were supposed to sound like JCM800 sounded damn good. ALWAYS needed a distortion pedal in front tho.

saddly now since that hard time of having no gear i've gone the other way... now i have way too much

I somehow enjoyed playing through all that crap more than i do now. Maybe it has to do with me being in my youth back then.. I just remember learning to play stuff like Rock and roll Rebel and feeling like God.
It must have to do with the Testosterone. I felt so good playing then. More of a romantic dreamy time then. Artists like DIO, Ozzy ( we always tried to find hidden meaning in Ozzys lyrics!), then we had all the pop stuff out like survivor, Ah Ha, Peter Cetera, it was still uplifting stuff. Music now is too focused on reality i think. WHo gives a **** about reallity? we live it all day. I liked the fantasy/Romantic part of music then. The grunge thing was horrible. Like all of a sudden people were yelling at you, " Life sucks, so get rid of all that pretty hair and beam back to reallity which is dirt and grime". I didnt like that at all.
Also we waited for new albums to come out then ( yes records for those who dont know) and actually buy them. i really think that the internet does NOT make it better for us with all the music readily available at out fingertips. It just makes everything a little blah. If you make less of an effort to get it/buy it, it doesnt feel as good i think. I still remember getting the new Ozzy Tribute record before school and drooling over it. It was so so cool. Now we would just download it in seconds and be tough critics to it. Not appreciate anything.


Now things are trying to get a bit more upbeat, but not near the uplifting feeling from 80's tunes. Just dig em out and listen to them. I guarantee you will feel better in no time.
 
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I'm under the impression that there was a much greater division between pro-quality stuff and affordable stuff in the 80's. Am I right?

you had to do the best with what you had, which resulted in better players I think.
 
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And this is to testify to that,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcsZoriqKh4

over 5000$ worth over gear=crap player+tone.

I had a much better tone outta my Peavy 30watt bandit+tubescreamer and my ibanez roadstar II. Which probably cost me a total of 600bucks then
 
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Almost forgot, back then we spent little time talking about equipment and more time playing.
Now alot of times i find myself on this forum talking about guitar more than me actually playing. ( Not that i dont like this forum)

Less 'virtual' time was the best!

think about how much time you stare at a fricken screen nowadays, compared to then. Now i stare at a screen for at least 8 hours a day at work. Then i go home and have the computer on and spend so more time on it for either work or 'leisure'. Oh and of course when we want to do something different then i turn on the TV! Even when we listen to music we look at a fricken screen! Makes me almost want to dig out my cassette player and throw away my PC!.........almost!
 
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Totally agree that this thread is cool.

Before Malmsteen.........there was no Malmsteen. Kids now listen to him and think " so he plays a million notes a minute, who cares?". But then when he came out we all just let our jaws drop. Even more with Halen.
Very very exciting time.

There was ALOT more emotional music made then i think. Has anyone compared the amount of slow/love songs of then compared to now???!! i keep saying this and no one listens. There are like NO slow songs anymore. Its like emotion has died or something. I personally liked the emotional cheesy stuff.

then we had all the pop stuff out like survivor, Ah Ha, Peter Cetera, it was still uplifting stuff. Music now is too focused on reality i think. WHo gives a **** about reallity? we live it all day. I liked the fantasy/Romantic part of music then.

I still remember getting the new Ozzy Tribute record before school and drooling over it. It was so so cool. Now we would just download it in seconds and be tough critics to it. Not appreciate anything.


I remember the Yngwie deal. I had been playing for about two years and had progressed rapidly (practicing 8 hours a day will do that). My first guitar hero was Randy Rhoads. After I had learned all of his stuff I was looking for something more. So I found Akira Takasaki of Loudness. That was cool. But there will still something "lacking" for me. And one day my brother, who'd been on a school trip to a bigger city, comes home with Yngwie's "Rising Force" album. I put it on and didn't pick up my jaw off the floor for the entire night. I stayed up all night listening to it. And then I spent the next several years working on mastering everything Yngwie put out on record. (Well... I dunno if I "mastered" it, but I could play it note-for-note close to speed.) I was never the same again.

I miss the pop bands of the 80's. Pop was GOOD then. I still listen to Journey, Survivor and Peter Cetera. In fact, Peter Cetera's "One Good Woman" is considered my me new wife and I to be "our" song.

I remember wearing-out Queensryche's "Warning" and "Rage For Order" for several years. And we were waiting for their next release. And waiting and waiting. And then my brother comes home with "Operation: Mindcrime" and I was freakin blown away. Just like with the Yngwie thing for guitar, QR for songwriting just put my jaw on the floor.

Those were the days... and it wasn't just because I was young. Because we ALL think that the days when we were young was the bomb. Those were THE days because so many awesome things were happening. Good times...
 
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The grunge thing was horrible. Like all of a sudden people were yelling at you, " Life sucks, so get rid of all that pretty hair and beam back to reallity which is dirt and grime". I didnt like that at all.
Also we waited for new albums to come out then ( yes records for those who dont know) and actually buy them. i really think that the internet does NOT make it better for us with all the music readily available at out fingertips. It just makes everything a little blah. If you make less of an effort to get it/buy it, it doesnt feel as good i think. I still remember getting the new Ozzy Tribute record before school and drooling over it. It was so so cool. Now we would just download it in seconds and be tough critics to it. Not appreciate anything.

Totally man!!!!!!! and you know what, I'am still strugling with a lot of YJM licks, can't just nail them they he does, how many people you hear saying this about teen spirit?
 
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Totally man!!!!!!! and you know what, I'am still strugling with a lot of YJM licks, can't just nail them they he does, how many people you hear saying this about teen spirit?


Some people listen to Yngwie and just don't get him. They never will. Yeah, he plays fast pretty much all the time. But he's got his own thing going. Very fluid, very fast, wide vibrato... TOTAL control of the instrument. Not some people's bag I guess. They say he doesn't play with enough emotion. Bullcrap. Listen to Michael Angelo or Chris Impelliteri if you want to hear a typewriter. Yngwie does it with soul. And when he plays more pentatonic/blues oriented stuff he sounds like SRV on fast forward. I can't listen to him all of the time, but when I'm in the mood for guitar that burns and is in total control, Yngwie satisfies.

It still BOGGLES my mind that after all these years you see tab in guitar mags for Nirvana, and all of those other grunge/alt-rock hacks. Who can't learn that stuff by ear? Geesh. When I started playing in 84 tab was just coming on line. It was pretty "spotty" for quality (Andy Aoledart was good though). So I learned most of Randy Rhoads and Yngwie's stuff by ear. Wore-out the Play and Rewind buttons on several cassette decks. But that got my ear working well and as a result I can learn any lick faster by ear than even reading tab. I try to teach students to learn by ear so they can learn anything.

Anyways... there was an issue of Guitar Player last year that featured Yngwie, Allan Holdsworth, and John Williams. Probably my greatest three guitar heros. So I wrote to GP thanking them for FINALLY renewing my faith in guitar mags after over a decade of featuring alt-rock hacks and whatnot. My letter got published in an issue a few months later. It's the one with Jerry Garcia on the cover (ironic). lol
 
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No doubt man. Kurt Cobain and Seattle grunge certainly made it somehow cool to suck on your instrument (to the "kids" at least). While I like some of the raw aggression of grunge and post-grunge, the guitar scene has been in the dumps since the early 90's.

I always perceived the Grunge movement and the resulting punk movement as a backlash against the 80's in the manner that it was almost required that you have a certain amount or kind of gear in order to be considered a player.

If you didn't have the MP-1 and a Digitech rack unit and a Marshall cab and head and two pointy guitars and a handfull of pedals then it was almost like you weren't really a guitar player.
 
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Some people listen to Yngwie and just don't get him. They never will. Yeah, he plays fast pretty much all the time. But he's got his own thing going. Very fluid, very fast, wide vibrato... TOTAL control of the instrument. Not some people's bag I guess. They say he doesn't play with enough emotion. Bullcrap. Listen to Michael Angelo or Chris Impelliteri if you want to hear a typewriter. Yngwie does it with soul. And when he plays more pentatonic/blues oriented stuff he sounds like SRV on fast forward. I can't listen to him all of the time, but when I'm in the mood for guitar that burns and is in total control, Yngwie satisfies.

You've just described my exact openion on Yngwie, and speaking of 80s gear when are all the new "neo-shredders" gonna understand that a harmonic minor arppegio sweep on a freaking Ibanez or a Jackson with scooped mids SOUND THIN!!! It was meant for STRATS through amps with mids at least on 10 o'clock mark !!! I think people in the eighties had it right with a new generation of super strats like Kramers and early Charvel/Jacksons but all the new pointy/slick/thin "super strats" of today are an overkill I think.
 
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If you didn't have the MP-1 and a Digitech rack unit and a Marshall cab and head and two pointy guitars and a handfull of pedals then it was almost like you weren't really a guitar player.

Yep, the only thing is the marshall head was not a must, you could still have your MP-1 plugged into a power amp, preferably marshall of course, My dream was the digitech processor with those cool midi pedal boards and an ADA slanted 4X12 with round metal grills infront of the cones. Did the flanel-unwasheds made ADA go bankrupt too?
 
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I always perceived the Grunge movement and the resulting punk movement as a backlash against the 80's in the manner that it was almost required that you have a certain amount or kind of gear in order to be considered a player.

If you didn't have the MP-1 and a Digitech rack unit and a Marshall cab and head and two pointy guitars and a handfull of pedals then it was almost like you weren't really a guitar player.

Could certainly be part of it.

I always saw it as a bunch of disenfrachised, urban "kids" who were tired of the slick, corporate hair-metal that had been shoved down their throats for the better part of a decade. And I could certainly understand that. But it was the fact that somehow a band that didn't even sound good in the garage (Nirvana) became an icon. Many of us players who'd spent hours every single day woodshedding to be good enough to "make it" felt apalled at such mediocrity. At least I could accept the slop that Jimmy Page put out in the 70's because what he did was so revolutionary and ecclectic. But Kurt Cobain did nothing for me. I think that he made it cool to just be a crappy musician and so many kids felt like they had been "let off the hook" in terms of having to pay their dues and put in the time and practice that it took to be a good musician BEFORE they made it to the big time. I've been "paying my dues" live for 20+ years. I don't think of it as a chore. I do it because I LOVE doing it. But I have to chuckle when I see "kids" who can barely play a pentatonic lick strutting around arena stages like they're great players and guitar gods.

As a songwriter, I understand that music is an art and therefor is subjective and open to many differen interpretations as to what is of value and what is good. I can deal with that. But as a guitar player and instrumental musician, the state of guitar for the past decade+ has been generally appaling. At least when you turned on the radio or video channel in the 80's and saw the current top 100 bands you saw guitar players who were of phenominal talent. That just isn't so now. There are a select FEW nu-metal guitarists who are "pretty good". But coming from the 80's with guys like Vai, Yngwie, Holdsworth, Bettencourt, Sykes, Gary Moore, Van Halen, etc... "pretty good" just doesn't cut it. ;)
 
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Yea.... I was never able to afford anything high quality back then, although I did have a pretty nice V copy make by a company called Richmond. Amps were usually rented and sometimes shared with opening or headliner bands. For Rehearsals I was pretty much limited to solid state stuff and for a while only had a PA head to play through at practice. Something like a POD would have been insanely useful back then. Then again... something like even an MP3 player would have been awesome..... Nothing like having to re-tune to your turntable speed to figure something out :(




Lots of today's cheap gear is pretty high quality (Boss pedals, Line 6 stuff, etc...). I could see pro guitarists using a Line 6 POD XT Live, or a Boss GT8, and could also see a guy like me using either of those.

I'm under the impression that there was a much greater division between pro-quality stuff and affordable stuff in the 80's. Am I right?
 
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Great thread.

back than if you wanted that hotty in leather mini to be in your backseat with only those stockings and stilletos on - you've had to have had major fretboard fireworks, with grunge - who cares, those flunnel, lumberjacker x-large shirts on those chicks are so un-inspiring no wonder nobody made an effort to play.

And don't forget about those horrible Doc Marten boots! It was as if overnight a generation of cute girls was simultaneously brainwashed into believing trading their stilletos in for combat boots was somehow a good idea. :dunno:
 
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