High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

Photoneshop121

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So the story goes that it's my birthday very soon and I just bought myself a new guitar amp. The amp in question is a Randall RD-5h and it is currently paired with a harley benton 2x12 (the non v30 one). At this time, I'm in the process of sending back the cab and buying a Randall matching 2x12 to clear out all the mud and help define my sound, as well as saving for a Randall solid state so I can get some more Dimebag-ish tones. Even at this moment, my Schecter has blackouts in it and I think they sound great. However, my other main guitar is a Dean Black Gold ML which at current has a Bill Lawrence USA L500xl in the bridge and the stock pickup in the neck.

I love the neck pickup, however the current bridge is too twangy and that's what occupies most of the sonic space, as there's so much twang that when I get rid of it with my EQ pedal, the character of the pickup goes away. And my other problem with it is that the output is so weak sounding that even on the highest gain setting I only get tones suitable for hard rock at best in terms of saturation. I've narrowed my tastes down to 4 pickup options as choices. The Dimebucker as it's ceramic magnet equipped as opposed to the twangier and less punchy alnico 5 and it's got the output to drive my amp better in a more saturated way, The Black Winter as in all the demos I've heard it's got that present high and mid tone but it's not overdoing it, The SH-5 Custom as it's a naturally scooped pickup with some good punch to it (from demo's I've heard, namely all of Keith Merrow's), and the Distortion because it's sounded punchy to me every time I've heard it.

I mostly play Pantera, Conquering Dystopia, and most other things either slow, rhythmic or technical, so all opinions and recommendations are welcome.
 
Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

Between the ones that you mentioned, I would say that the Dimebucker would be the best followed by the Black Winter.

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Yeah I was thinking it might be a good idea, but are you sure it wouldn't sound too thin? I mean I've heard that the dimebucker is thicker sounding than the Bill Lawrence USA, but I've also heard that there's not much of a difference.
 
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Never heard the BLUSA, but opinions on them don't tend to be favorable. I have heard the Dimebucker in person and it was not thin in the slightest.

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Never heard the BLUSA, but opinions on them don't tend to be favorable. I have heard the Dimebucker in person and it was not thin in the slightest.

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I can back that up. I had one in my #1 a while back. Cutting, yes; thin, no. You could hear it clearly through a thick, downtuned mix in a crowded bar no problem.
 
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I think you will be disappointed no matter what pickup you get. The blackouts are stupid loud none of the pickups you are looking will match them nor are they any louder than what you got now infact some have less output than what you got now.

I would save the money snd buy a better amp
 
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I am myself thinking of getting a set of black winters.... I have seen demos and rhythming on them just kicks ass.... But i wonder whether they are good for soloing?? Anh help is appreciated:-)
 
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I doubt I'll be completely disappointed, it's mostly better tone I'm looking for, and higher output is a bonus. That being said, the Blackouts are so much higher output and the BLusa is so low output that an inbetween amount of output is welcome because then I could push my amp using a drive pedal and get the rest of the saturation in a cleaner way than the blackouts. I'm not buying a different amp though, at least not until I can afford another Randall amp. But back to the point I really doubt they have less output, because even though dc resistance isn't the only telling feature of output, all of the pickups I'm looking at have pretty much 1.5x the dc resistance, and loudness isn't really my worry right now.
 
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But good to know the dimebucker sounds thick and cutting too, that's kind of my ideal tone.
 
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But back to the point I really doubt they have less output, .

Speaking from a position of "I know" not a position of "I think" the SH5 really does have less output than a L500XL. The black winter is actually not particularly high output and is probably less than the L500XL but its harder to tell because the frequency response is different the extra midrange of the blackwinter might make it seem that its louder than the L500XL when its not really.

Every 100 bucks you spend on pickups takes you that much farther from having a nice amp. The pickup you have now will do the tone you want. Its the rest of the rig that is lacking. Fix weak links first.
 
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Funny enough if you are after dimebag tones you actually probably be better served with a pedal. A wampler triple wreck using the boost function will cop dimebagish tones easily. One of Demanics faves the Keeley modded Metal Zone will also get you there.
 
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While I appreciate your knowledge, you would know that I am in the process of getting a new cabinet very soon if you had read the original post. If you had I'm sorry but you don't seem to see how much of a difference a simple cab change can make. The cab is going to get me most of the way towards better tone and the tone I want, I have tried one with my exact amp, but the pickup (and an overdrive pedal) are going to get me the rest of the way. While dime did use the BLusa a lot, it doesn't work for me. That's why I'm getting a new pickup. It's good to know the sh5 will have less output, I'll try it out when I have the money but chances are I won't like it then, and thank you for clearing it up, I was skeptical of the black winter because of the higher freq focus as well as drawn to it for that, but I'm not changing my amp just to fit a pickup when I know the amp can get fantastic tones with most pickups. The cab change is big enough for a rig change I think having tried new cabs and the one I'm thinking of and hearing the great difference, and I'm not going to try and get only dimes tone, which is why I'm just trying to get better pickups and a tube screamer type pedal instead of just buying a parametric Eq rack effect and driving it through the front of my amp.
 
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And the bridge pickup right now is the weak link. The amp might just be small and 5 watts but with my other guitars it has ferocious tone and gain so I'm pretty certain it's just one guitar and pickup.
 
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Dimebag tone=solid state Randall .
I own one and I have to say I love my amp. I've owned tube amps and I have to say I love those as well. Dime used a solid state on mantid not all of the Pantera albums
 
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I'm saving to get the RG1503h near the end of this year, I'm really looking forward to it. I'm just trying to see whether or not I can get some grinding tones on my tube Randall. Which solid state Randall have you got and has it got a good amount of saturation?
 
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I have an rg75 . Yeah it can get pretty saturated quick. Check out my YouTube. Everything on there was played through a Randall. Overlook the sucky playing
 
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I have the Randall RD5 combo. I replaced the speaker with a Celestion G10 Greenback, and sometimes I run it through my Marshall 4x12 with V30's and Greenbacks in an X-pattern. It is a killer-sounding amp, but it is indeed pretty "twangy"-sounding itself regardless of what pickup I run through it, especially if you run the TSS in the most scooped setting (which I feel is a must, otherwise it just sounds like cardboard, lol). That's just the way that amp is voiced.

I've found a smooth-sounding overdrive pedal like the TS808 boosting it works wonders to tame the kinda clanky attack, so that is my recommendation. I love that little amp for what it is, but yeah, it's definitely not voiced too Dimebag-ish.
 
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Yeah I do have it on kinda twangy settings on its own, and I really doubted any dimebag tones because I don't have a parametric Eq and it's not solid state. But I am planning on getting the Seymour Duncan 805 as well as a new pickup to go in the bridge of my Dean. But yeah the voicing is nice and it cuts through well with good speaker cabs.
 
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