High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

Yeah, if you're not getting along with your current BL USA, and the twangy voicing of the Diavlo is bothering you, I think you might be better off with a pickup that's voiced darker and/or not as clanky as a Dimebucker or a Black Winter. I don't think it's a matter of ceramic vs. alnico because my old Duncan Distortion sounded every bit as twangy as my JB through my RD5. Maybe DiMarzio Super 3? Invader?

That may not look extremely Dime-inspired, but it could sound pretty nice.

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

That is a very good point, one I hadn't thought of before at all. I'll start looking at the more mid/bass focused pickups Seymour Duncan do.

After looking just briefly, the Nazgul (Looks more high mid than treble focused in the 6 string set, and in Keith Merrow's latest Demo it sounded tight and clear, but not like it had too many highs, might be wrong though), Pegasus (Looks like a great option to me) and the Invader (a bit unclear to me) seem like the most likeable options at a glance.

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

Upon further inspection, the Pegasus, Distortion and Black Winter look like my best options. They would be going into a fairly low-mid punchy guitar, and most of them are pretty high mid based. Also, in Keith's most recent demo the Dimebucker wasn't even close to being as bassless and trebly as the Nazgul, I'll just have to try out some guitars with them in when I next go to a guitar shop.

 

[EDX]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

i'm not using the best dimebag rig, but if you use the right pickup and know your setting you can get very close

a dark bassy and middy sounding guitar can compliment the dimebucker very well, in fact my v is punchy and low mid focused, the only pickup wich is really close in output to the blackouts is the dimebucker (and maybe the slug) at 1160mv against blackouts 1598mv https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...ncan-mV-Data&p=3688463&viewfull=1#post3688463 everything else will be around half the output of the blackouts

your randall diablo 5 isn't a bad amp, and i would recomend you get an eq or a randall facepunch rather than an overdrive, the BLUSA L500XL, wilde L500XL and Dimebucker are all similar but very different, the BLUSA is raw and twangy, the Wilde is fuller and more even, while the dimebucker is way boosted lows and highs with even mids and searing top

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

That's very useful info, and I was just thinking about what to compliment a warm guitar with, maybe I'll keep the dime bucker on my tryout list after all. I've got an MXR Eq right now which I use as a drive, which is good and all but I'd prefer using it to actually boost mids through the effects loop. I'll look into the Randall face punch then!

 

[EDX]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

with the RD5 i would try to set the amp tone on something like 2 or 3, and around 6 or 7, and try runing the mxr in front, that will ad grind, also try to draw a sawtooth pattern on the eq, that was pretty much the one dime used (on the MXR tighten the lows, bump a little the low mids, then bump the mids, bump just a little the high mids and then bump highs ad prescense) go and try that right now mate and tell us if you liked

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

That list is really useful! Brilliant output reference. Looking there, I don't think the pegasus will suit then, being almost half the Dimebucker's output, the black winter and distortion are still options though, but I think I'll drop the rest. Couldn't find the Facepunch anywhere in the uk apart from amazon and Musik Produktiv which I've both had ****ty experiences with when buying music gear, musik productive especially. I did however find the Randall MOR pedal, however it's a boost so I'm not so drawn to it.

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

I've got the amp tone set at about 11 o'clock and I've got the mxr in front anyway because I drive my amp with it which I won't have to do once I get a drive pedal, and pretty much in those exact settings. This really is a pickup problem I feel because I just can't like the bluas in the guitar it's in right now, so thanks but I feel this really is a pickup problem and maybe an overdrive(lack of) problem and nothing else.

 

[EDX]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

you don't need an overdrive, if you liked the tone i got on the video on my post (yep thats me dicking around late night on some riffs) i just cranked the gain a little on my amp (gain at 8 or in other words 3 o'clock) with an eq on front and the dimebucker magic (with that gain level you might want a noise gate) and that was done on a very inexpensive ss peavey envoy

thinking better, on o'clock numbers, gain 3 o'clock, tone 9 or 10 o'clock, crank the vol (or at least get it near or past half) toy a little with the tone stack switch and set the eq the exact way this guy does you will still need the dimebucker but you will know at least how close you actually are (also try with the blackouts but roll the volume down a little trying to balance)

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

Yeah I've got all the stuff and I figure the cab swap will do most of the tone work, I'm just seeing about thickening my tone and adding gain with a pickup change.

 

[EDX]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

so then go ahead get that nice new cab and the all mighty dimebucker dude

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

I mean the problem is I gotta wait until the start of september so I'll be sitting shaking in anticipation until then. Bummer, but man I can't wait.

 

[EDX]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

at least you can get a tone nice enough to practice until then

 

[Progbusters]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

I got the 5 w combo Randall. That amp is twangy clean and sound scrappy with low headroom but fakes it real good mic'd up. I use it with my orange cab and it sounds bigger and tighter. And I boost it with a boost pedal, which takes it beyond the 80's metal. Most of my various guitars and pickups sound good at full volume mid gain, with my metal guitars sounding the best, the have Titans and dactivators. But sh5 and other Duncan's are ok too

 

[loversmoon]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

Sounds pretty damn good there!

Not to shabby for a chic free mistakes here and there

 

[bloughlin16]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

I'd say the Dimebucker, Nazgul, Omega, and Black Winter will all get you within that tonal range. I agree with the other people here who said that you still may have difficulty finding the tone you want with that specific amp, even with the cab change (and yes, I do know that cabs make a huge difference from experience), but those would all go a long way to getting you that tone. With Duncan's return policy, it might be best to order the ones you like most, try them out, and keep the one you like best.

 

[Photoneshop121]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

I got the 5 w combo Randall. That amp is twangy clean and sound scrappy with low headroom but fakes it real good mic'd up. I use it with my orange cab and it sounds bigger and tighter. And I boost it with a boost pedal, which takes it beyond the 80's metal.

Yeah it's got that very defined cleanliness to the higher gain sounds it puts out, and through a big cab it sounds really damn good.

Yeah I think the dimebucker and black winter could, but I'm not too sure about the nazgul or omega, they seemed a bit too controlled to me after listening to them.

 

[Gibson 1964]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

I would also throw in the Wilde l500xl into the mix. Personally, I have tried the BLUSA and the Wilde, and the Wilde pickups sound a lot less clangy than the BLUSA.

IME, The Nazgul sounds rawer and more all out than the BW. The BW is a little tamer seeming to me as an owner of both. I think the BW has a touch more output, but the Nazgul sounds very aggressive all the time.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

Between the ones that you mentioned, I would say that the Dimebucker would be the best followed by the Black Winter.

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I agree with the Dimebucker suggestion...Pantera is like an automatic Dimebucker (joking but kinda serious too about that lol)

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: High Gain pickup choosing, sorry but please help

I agree with the Dimebucker suggestion...Pantera is like an automatic Dimebucker (joking but kinda serious too about that lol)

Seems weird though... He already has an BLUSA L500XL which is the actual pickup that was used during the pantera era. While the dimebucker was a later sound that I'm not even sure he ever recorded with.

I keep seeing people shove the dimebucker down his throat but the pickup thats on CFH came from BLUSA. Not saying the dimebucker is bad just saying it seems like its a serious side move and not a move up.