Historical question: How did the JB & Jazz become the Hot Rodded Humbucker set?

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We talk about these pickups a lot here. They're obviously in this widely available aftermarket set, and they're a popular choice for OEM in plenty of guitars aimed at the rock & metal market. Some people like them, some don't. But how did this set come about? How did they get to be so popular in so many Jacksons, ESP & LTD, Schecter, and other guitars? And how, for as much as we bag on it here in the forum, did the JB get to be so popular? Let's not argue over how good or bad the pickups are; we all know that's very subjective and at the mercy of personal tastes, guitars, amps, etc. Let's focus on the history.
 
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the very first time i saw these offered on a stock guitar as a stock set was the orignal KRAMER pacers. before that it was usually the 59 in the neck OEM.
CHARVEL opted to go back to the JB/59 set on some of thier models
other than it being seymours personal favorite set i guess most companies found it to be the most versatile set to offer on thier guitars.
It is a hard to beat set for many styles
 
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I think the JB/59 is more popular now in OEM sets. Most of the H-H Jacksons, LTDs, & Schecters with Duncans seem to have them, though the Jazz does appear sometimes. The '59 seems to have more of the thickness that people probably expect from a neck humbucker.
 
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Anybody on this one?


 
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Jeff Beck comments:

 
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Re: Historical question: How did the JB & Jazz become the Hot Rodded Humbucker set?

So the humbuckers in the Tele were Gibsons?

And Seymour bogarted Jeff's Esquire?

Wait… I found this thread, externally through the Google:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=7113

So it sounds like the legend grew through word of mouth, rather than by some arbitrary marketing decision.
 
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Had a look at the link. So JB never stood for Jeff Beck ? It always stood for Jazz/Blues ? That expains it's incredible popularity with Jazz guitarists then.
 
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Re: Historical question: How did the JB & Jazz become the Hot Rodded Humbucker set?

^ Not to mention blues guitarists. Turns out BB King secretly has JBs in every Lucile he owns.
 
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The Jazz/Blues thing has always really pissed me off.

The pickup, that we know today, is the JB model. Not the Jeff Beck, not the Jazz/Blues, the JB model. However when Seymour first wound it (re-wound it actually, just because those are Gibson pickups doesn't mean that they aren't also a Jazz/JB set) he wound them for Jeff, and unless you think that Seymour just arbitrarily chose Jeff Beck's initials for the "model number" of the pickup he wound for Jeff Beck's Telecaster...then JB did/does stand for, you guessed it, Jeff Beck. When Seymour started selling them and using his name became an issue he kept the JB name and just arbitrarily assigned it meaning.
 
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^ Kind of like how the custom pickups I'm going to wind for Steve Vai will, once it's clear he won't endorse them, become known as the "SV series", which of course stands for "shrill voiced", or "shred vicariously".

Seriously, though, once this worked itself out, how did they become so popular? Who was using them, and in what kinds of guitars?
 
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^ Kind of like how the custom pickups I'm going to wind for Steve Vai will, once it's clear he won't endorse them, become known as the "SV series", which of course stands for "shrill voiced", or "shred vicariously".
LOL....that's great!!:)
 
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As for naming it the Hot Rodded Humbucker set, that was just a name someone came up with for packaging them together. The "Vintage Blues" set is 59's and the "Distortion Mayhem" set is Distortion neck and bridge. They're just names for the set.
 
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As for naming it the Hot Rodded Humbucker set, that was just a name someone came up with for packaging them together. The "Vintage Blues" set is 59's and the "Distortion Mayhem" set is Distortion neck and bridge. They're just names for the set.

I figured it was something like that. I guess what I was getting at is, how they were chosen. How they came to be associated together. How they were chosen as the OEM set for a number of Jackson models and the like. Why they were in the Dave Mustaine signature DV8 models from ESP and LTD.
 
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whatever happened to the Evenly Voiced Harmonics (EVH) pickup they used to offer? did that become the 78?
 
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Re: Historical question: How did the JB & Jazz become the Hot Rodded Humbucker set?

JB stands for jazz/blues.
EVH stands for evenly voiced harmonics.

ahem.....of course they do! ;)
 
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^ Kind of like how the custom pickups I'm going to wind for Steve Vai will, once it's clear he won't endorse them, become known as the "SV series", which of course stands for "shrill voiced", or "shred vicariously".

:bigthumb::laugh2::lmao::yourock:
 
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I figured it was something like that. I guess what I was getting at is, how they were chosen. How they came to be associated together. How they were chosen as the OEM set for a number of Jackson models and the like. Why they were in the Dave Mustaine signature DV8 models from ESP and LTD.

The Tele-Gib had the pickups in it that would become the Jazz and the JB.
 
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Like a number of guys, I just don't see a JazzN living up to the name of 'Hot Rodded'. People expect a hot, wild neck PU and they get a very tame, mild-mannered one instead. I'd think a hot bridge PU, like the Full Shred or some of the other ones used by guys here in the neck slot, would be more representative of Hot Rodded. Not that the JazzN isn't a good PU, which it is, it just catches some players off guard when it's sold with a 16K JB.

DMz went the other direction in naming one of theirs; they call a 10K neck HB with a ceramic, a 'Bluesbucker'. It's much hotter than any blues player I know would use. In spite of any implied images of 1950's PAF's, there's nothing vintage-sounding about it. I bought it (years ago) based on the name, hah!, and put an A3 in to tame it and get it to balance with the bridge PU volume.

I know marketing's not easy, but it just goes to show how important a PU's name is to potential customers, and how it's viewed when it's part of a set. There's been some threads suggesting Duncan change a few PU names to give people a better idea of what they're getting, and probably most PU's makers could stand a little revamping in that area too. My personal preference is for names that are clear and accurate, much more than for ones that are clever and hip. Going by the name, if people assume that a PU is very different-sounding than what it really is, then there's probably a better name for that PU.
 
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The names are fine with me. They're selling lots of pickups with those names so I don't see a problem. The Dimarzio Super Distortion isn't super distorted if your amp is set for a clean tone - there's no real distortion in the pickup so I guess that Dimarzio mis-names their pickups too.

As for the Jazz neck and JB bridge set, being hot-rodded, back in the day they were created they were hot rodded pickups: the Jazz was hot rodded to be a clearer and more articulate version of the standard Gibson humbucker and the JB was a hot rodded version in the other direction: a lot more output than a standard Gibson of the day.

I don't know who came first but those Jazz, JB and Super Distortion pickups were the first "hot rodded" or modified or tweaked pickups I ever saw on the market.
 
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One way of thinking about hot rodded -

Early 80s rigs were much simpler - Channel switching amps were new and rare. I just think having the low output neck pickup facilitated metal music of the day - making it easier to go from a dirty distortion to a usable clean.

But on the Beck video - seeing that makes me want another Jackson - the orange one. :-)
 
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