Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

SepultuRick

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My L500XL is the bill lawrence U.S.A version!!!! I didn't know there were two types. apparantly mine is the worst of the two types?

Is it still considered a decent pickup the U.S.A version?


I wasn't aware there were two companies
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

This is an ongoing debate. Some would say that ones "fake" and the other is the "real" BL. The thing is, they both produced pickups together in the beginning under the made-up Bill Lawrence name. Then, Willy Lorenze, (I think thats right), changed his name legally to Bill Lawrence. In my mind, they're just too different companies. Judge the pup by how it sounds, not by where it came from. IMHO ;)

Artie
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

ArtieToo is right.

There are 2 web sites, billlawrenceusa.com and billlawrence.com. Both have stories over what happened and who's the real Bill Lawrence. Both have sold Bill Lawrence pickups to Washburn for the Dimebag and Nuno Bettencourt guitars.

Willi Stich was a guitar player and pickup designer. He had a stage name of Willi Lorenze. He also had an engineering background from the military. He met Wajcman who owned some music stores. He was impressed with Lorenze's pickups so the two went into business, and changed Willi's name and the name of the company to Bill Lawrence since it was easier to pronounce. They produced the first Bill Lawrence pickups.

Eventually the two men split ways, and Wajcman kept producing the Bill Lawrence pickups under Bill Lawrence USA, which he had the right to do since he still owned the Bill Lawrence trade name, even though he wasn't Bill Lawrence. These were the pickups widely av available in some mysic stores and Stewart Macdonald.

The man Bill Lawrence went back to Germany and began building his pickups there under the name Bill Lawrence. Bill came back to the U.S. and worked for many guitar companies, including Gibson and Fender, designing guitars and pickups. If you could find him he'd also build the original Bill Lawrence pickups for you by hand. Rumor is the ones his partner was selling under his name were inferior.

It seems that in recent years, due to the internet, more people have become awars of how to contact the man Bill Lawrence to get the L-500 and XL-500 pickups. Since it seems these are the "real" pickups, it's been tapping into billlawrenceusa's business, and there have been lawsuits to stop Bill lawrence the man from producing the pickups, or more specifically, to stop using the name Bill Lawrence.

Technically, neither is a "fake" Bill Lawrence, since the two companies are fighting over who owns the name. Who makes the better one? I went with the man Bill Lawrence. His web site is very technical, Gibson and Fender trusted him to design products, it's kind of like purchasing a PAF pickup that was built by Seth Lover himself, or buying the Duncan Seth Lover model.

Bill Lawrence is a very small company now, since he is working for Fender. I called him up two weeks ago and spoke to his wife Becky to order some pickups, She was extremely helpful and knowledgeable.

The Bill Lawrence USA isn't a piece of junk, if you like it keep it. Not many people have actually compared the two side by side, but if you've got $50 to spare I'd check out the Bill Lawrence one.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

I've bought pickups from and spoken to the REAL Bill Lawrence "Willi Lorenz Stich"
He is without a doubt, the most knowledgeable person I have ever spoken to, with regards to electronics and sound. Very nice man, when you realize you're speaking to a legend. His wife Becky is also very nice and knowledgeable with regards to the product line.
I've got his L-280 noiseless single coil and I have to say that it is probably the finest sounding single coil I've played, and I've played Bardens and Kinmans. It comes the closest in sound to the classic 50's strat tone I've heard. I haven't tried the diMarzio or Duncan noiseless, though.
He keeps his prices very reasonable, as it is literally a 'mom and pop' organization. As such, you have to wait for his pickups, but it's worth it.
I was thinking about trying his L-500L in my strat. His pickups supposedly squeeze as much output as you can out of a pickup without the mud that accompanies other high-output pickups.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

I was quoted a up to a 4 week delivery time for my XL-500, so I'm just waiting.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

SepultuRick said:
My L500XL is the bill lawrence U.S.A version!!!! I didn't know there were two types. apparantly mine is the worst of the two types?

Is it still considered a decent pickup the U.S.A version?


I wasn't aware there were two companies

I could have sworn that I told you in a previous thread to order it from Billlawrence.com.

Its still an OK pick as long as it doesent have microphonoics. Some of the USA models had problems with microphonics. I would recomend the Bill Lawrence.com version though!
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

Bill Lawrence the man is reputed to be making the better pickups, he also designed and built the new Samariaum Cobalt Noiseless pickups found on many recent Fender American Deluxe models, which is a big reason he and Becky relocated to Corona, CA a year or two ago. I would give the analogy that Bill Lawrence USA is like Duncan Designed (or Lawrence designed) while Bill Lawrence from Corona, CA is the real McCoy.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

That particular story got very nasty as well. Lawsuits flying every which way. IMHO the man Bill Lawrence makes the better pickup.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

TattooedCarrot said:
I would give the analogy that Bill Lawrence USA is like Duncan Designed (or Lawrence designed) while Bill Lawrence from Corona, CA is the real McCoy.
There's a big difference though. Bill does not have any affiliation whatsoever with BL USA even though he did do business with Wajcman in the past. With the Duncan Designed pickups, Seymour and group are still involved with the company that makes them and such, they have a hand in it. Bill Lawrence and Bill Lawrence USA are 2 totally different entities and do not do business with each other.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

ErikH said:
There's a big difference though. Bill does not have any affiliation whatsoever with BL USA even though he did do business with Wajcman in the past. With the Duncan Designed pickups, Seymour and group are still involved with the company that makes them and such, they have a hand in it. Bill Lawrence and Bill Lawrence USA are 2 totally different entities and do not do business with each other.
My analogy was within the context of product quality, not the business relationship.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

TattooedCarrot said:
My analogy was within the context of product quality, not the business relationship.
Ahh, I see. Yeah, that's a fair analogy in that context but I'd give a slight edge to the DD line over BL USA. ;)
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

SepultuRick said:
it seems to me that one of the two companies are in the wrong.
Yeah, but one of them makes some of the BEST pickups to be had!
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

theodie said:
Yeah, but one of them makes some of the BEST pickups to be had!
And he's the one who was screwed so to speak. His single coils are absolutely wonderful.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

"he had been tricked by a group of lawyer frogs"

hah that story was ridiculously stupid.
 
Re: Hold on a minute!!! There are two Bill Lawrence companies?

Its annoying because i was after the Bill Lawrence model, the higher output and generally better regarded model (Not the U.S.A). I am sticking with Seymour Duncan's from now. My next purchase will be the JB, Distortion, or Dave Mustaine Signature active set!!
 
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