Rockstar216
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$79 for a 10ft? GTFO
Hey if you can afford em and can hear the difference more power to you.
How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
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$79 for a 10ft? GTFO
Hey if you can afford em and can hear the difference more power to you.
MetalManiac
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
Absolutley I can see it ( in theory), if you play a , say, 5000.00 dollar Matchless amp, a 10,000.00 Dollar Paul Reed Smith, and had Duncan Zephyrs in it, why not? The only people likely to poo poo this are those who cannot afford the rarified and exclusive air of high tone.' Sour Grapes', as it were.
Theres a place for traditional tone..some expensive, some not so much, and then there is a place for modern, very hi tech , exotic and expensive hi-fi tone.
Absolutley I can see it ( in theory), if you play a , say, 5000.00 dollar Matchless amp, a 10,000.00 Dollar Paul Reed Smith, and had Duncan Zephyrs in it, why not? The only people likely to poo poo this are those who cannot afford the rarified and exclusive air of high tone.' Sour Grapes', as it were.
Theres a place for traditional tone..some expensive, some not so much, and then there is a place for modern, very hi tech , exotic and expensive hi-fi tone.
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PFDarkside
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
I'm good...
I'm good...
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
$79 isn't so bad for a 10' instrument cable. I've got the 20' Fender Platinum, which was $90, maybe? Great cable.
I tried a pair of home loudspeaker cables by Analysis Plus about a decade ago, and I thought they were pretty good. Revealing, maybe a tad harsh in some systems. They seemed nicely made and came in a cool wooden box that looked like a silverware case.
$79 isn't so bad for a 10' instrument cable. I've got the 20' Fender Platinum, which was $90, maybe? Great cable.
I tried a pair of home loudspeaker cables by Analysis Plus about a decade ago, and I thought they were pretty good. Revealing, maybe a tad harsh in some systems. They seemed nicely made and came in a cool wooden box that looked like a silverware case.
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
On another note "another company that makes guitars down there wants to buy one"..yeah, right. Some German guy who makes guitars also wants one. Well, I mean, if he's from Germany, obviously he's a top notch engineer or luthier.
"We have a lot of science behind the cable". Man, is that ever a bulletproof explanation and reason to drop 6 large on a 10 foot cable! Voodoo science? Maybe its on the level, but I'd be skeptical. My main point is that there is nothing wrong per se with the idea of high end expensive exotic stuff.
also.. 10 feet isn't a great length, actually, they should have made it 12 feet..much more practical. For 6 grand , you'd think they could have absorbed the cost.
I expect anyone who isn't rich is going to be "good", as you put it.
On another note "another company that makes guitars down there wants to buy one"..yeah, right. Some German guy who makes guitars also wants one. Well, I mean, if he's from Germany, obviously he's a top notch engineer or luthier.
"We have a lot of science behind the cable". Man, is that ever a bulletproof explanation and reason to drop 6 large on a 10 foot cable! Voodoo science? Maybe its on the level, but I'd be skeptical. My main point is that there is nothing wrong per se with the idea of high end expensive exotic stuff.
also.. 10 feet isn't a great length, actually, they should have made it 12 feet..much more practical. For 6 grand , you'd think they could have absorbed the cost.
I expect anyone who isn't rich is going to be "good", as you put it.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
Ten feet is standard corksniffer length -- just enough to reach the Dumble from your custom-made leather recliner.
Ten feet is standard corksniffer length -- just enough to reach the Dumble from your custom-made leather recliner.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
Even if people who make money off that cable patronize your business and make you money?
Even if people who make money off that cable patronize your business and make you money?
GuitarStv
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
Yes.
Yes.
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
yeah? Why dontcha try and punch ME big boy? I know Jew Jitsu
yeah? Why dontcha try and punch ME big boy? I know Jew Jitsu
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
You guys sound like a bunch of fools.
I'm not going to say if it's better or worse or even if it makes a difference because I do not know and I'd bet the farm that none if you guys know either.
I'm sure there is not only a market for it but a need as well.
You cats need to think more and talk less and remember...you mind is like a book, it only works if it's open.
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You guys sound like a bunch of fools.
I'm not going to say if it's better or worse or even if it makes a difference because I do not know and I'd bet the farm that none if you guys know either.
I'm sure there is not only a market for it but a need as well.
You cats need to think more and talk less and remember...you mind is like a book, it only works if it's open.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
Relax, homes. We're just having fun. If you ever step to my barrio, you'd better bring your sense of humor, man.
Relax, homes. We're just having fun. If you ever step to my barrio, you'd better bring your sense of humor, man.
roel.hernandez.50
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
Hey it's cool !!! Tax write off anybody lol if I had the money I would surly buy it!!
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Hey it's cool !!! Tax write off anybody lol if I had the money I would surly buy it!!
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David Collins
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
Would a cable like this affect a difference that listeners could hear in a controlled blind test? Perhaps I suppose, but let's just say I'm skeptical that objective third party testing would be able to solidly verify any notable difference.
Prospective buyers are not ultimately buying things like this for improvements in tone though, regardless of how well they try to convince themselves that they are. It's bling. It's a $20,000 watch. It's a marble kitchen counter and gold faucet.
When it comes down to it, the electric guitar tones we have come to idealize as the ultimate benchmark are not the result of hi-fi audio. They are primitive circuits, the antithesis of hi-fi, and it is the cumulative flaws which contribute to define the very tones most guitarists seek. If you want the ultimate audio reproduction system for your audio engineered listening room (make sure your listening chair is bolted to the floor, as move it two feet and the changes you paid dearly for will be lost), then spend 'till your ears and ego are content. If you want to produce the tones of Page or Hendrix from your rig though, electroacoustically idealized cables (even if they do make a noticeable difference) are not likely to lead you any closer to that.
My favorite has to be the $10,000 power cables connected to a $10,000 granite power strip, which somehow affects a notable difference as perceived by owners after plugging in to an outlet with scores of feet of 60¢/ft Romex on the other side of the outlet. Now that's dedication to "no expenses spared" audio.
Would a cable like this affect a difference that listeners could hear in a controlled blind test? Perhaps I suppose, but let's just say I'm skeptical that objective third party testing would be able to solidly verify any notable difference.
Prospective buyers are not ultimately buying things like this for improvements in tone though, regardless of how well they try to convince themselves that they are. It's bling. It's a $20,000 watch. It's a marble kitchen counter and gold faucet.
When it comes down to it, the electric guitar tones we have come to idealize as the ultimate benchmark are not the result of hi-fi audio. They are primitive circuits, the antithesis of hi-fi, and it is the cumulative flaws which contribute to define the very tones most guitarists seek. If you want the ultimate audio reproduction system for your audio engineered listening room (make sure your listening chair is bolted to the floor, as move it two feet and the changes you paid dearly for will be lost), then spend 'till your ears and ego are content. If you want to produce the tones of Page or Hendrix from your rig though, electroacoustically idealized cables (even if they do make a noticeable difference) are not likely to lead you any closer to that.
My favorite has to be the $10,000 power cables connected to a $10,000 granite power strip, which somehow affects a notable difference as perceived by owners after plugging in to an outlet with scores of feet of 60¢/ft Romex on the other side of the outlet. Now that's dedication to "no expenses spared" audio.
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
No.
If I claim that there's a teapot orbiting a moon of Jupiter, but it's too small to be seen from Earth . . . and the only way that you can see it is to go into my space ship and view it on a monitor, and you have to pay me 1 million dollars to do so . . . you would be right in harboring a certain amount of skepticism. Particularly if I was unable to explain how said teapot got there, or why it hadn't been shattered into a billion shards by passing debris.
The burden of proof lies on the person making the extraordinary claim. The extraordinary claim in this case is that a 6000$ cable sounds noticeably different than a 40$ cable. Skepticism isn't a bad thing to have, particularly when dealing with people who stand to gain by lying to you (like those who are selling you things). Electrical analysis and theory don't lie. People do. Show me electrical measurements that demonstrate a difference in one of the properties of the cable . . . conductance, capacitance, etc. and then show me that the measurement is different enough to make an audible difference by running various amplified tones through an oscilloscope. Not only will I stop doubting, but I'll praise your product for anyone to hear.
None of these audiophool gadgets are ever demonstrated in this way because they would be legally liable if they lied about something measurable. But to claim "Hey dudes, this sounds WAY better!" is subjective and thus you can't be held accountable for your claims.
An open mind is one thing. Having an empty mind is quite another.
No.
If I claim that there's a teapot orbiting a moon of Jupiter, but it's too small to be seen from Earth . . . and the only way that you can see it is to go into my space ship and view it on a monitor, and you have to pay me 1 million dollars to do so . . . you would be right in harboring a certain amount of skepticism. Particularly if I was unable to explain how said teapot got there, or why it hadn't been shattered into a billion shards by passing debris.
The burden of proof lies on the person making the extraordinary claim. The extraordinary claim in this case is that a 6000$ cable sounds noticeably different than a 40$ cable. Skepticism isn't a bad thing to have, particularly when dealing with people who stand to gain by lying to you (like those who are selling you things). Electrical analysis and theory don't lie. People do. Show me electrical measurements that demonstrate a difference in one of the properties of the cable . . . conductance, capacitance, etc. and then show me that the measurement is different enough to make an audible difference by running various amplified tones through an oscilloscope. Not only will I stop doubting, but I'll praise your product for anyone to hear.
None of these audiophool gadgets are ever demonstrated in this way because they would be legally liable if they lied about something measurable. But to claim "Hey dudes, this sounds WAY better!" is subjective and thus you can't be held accountable for your claims.
An open mind is one thing. Having an empty mind is quite another.
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SlyFoxx
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Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
There's black gold in audio snake oil.
One of my favorites were these small pucks of some kind of exotic wood. The sales pitch was to place them just so on top of your speakers and they would blaa blahaa blaaa blaaa whatever.........
There's black gold in audio snake oil.
One of my favorites were these small pucks of some kind of exotic wood. The sales pitch was to place them just so on top of your speakers and they would blaa blahaa blaaa blaaa whatever.........
Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
There's a difference between being open-minded and gullible...
I refrained from posting in Everdrone's power-cable thread but why not here...?
I'm a scientist (for real, this is what I do everyday, what I've trained for, this is who I am). I'll consider the facts, not the sales-pitch, nor the opinion of an endorser or the anectodal results of a few persons. The internet is the worst vehicle for objectivity...
By facts I mean proof, not biased opinions.
Don't swear to me that it works better, don't tell me that I'm not skeptical but frustrated that I can't afford it or don't know tone (or TOANZ or whatever stupid spelling internet morons use). Show me the difference on an oscilloscope and then I'll tell you you are right.
However, I'm the kind of guy who will still probably tell you that, yes, empirically you've proven the difference between the 40$ and 6k$ cables (if it ever happens) but to me it'll be back not to the actual existing difference but to "is it really audible" and "is the difference Worth 5960$?".
For some it will be (both audible and Worth it) but for me the difference would have to be pretty huge, both because blowing that kind of money on a cable would be ridiculous in my situation (good paying job, house payments, kids, the real life of a normal person with priorities) and because I'm quite happy with my tone as it is (yes, it can always be improved but my point here is: by how much for that much money?).
I'm quite a believer in the fact that most of the little things we hear by ourselves mostly disappear as soon as the drums, bass, singer and other guitar player kick in... however, the ones we WANT to hear never do no matter what.
Suggestion is a powerful force.
To each his own of course but first show me facts, not sales pitches...
There's a difference between being open-minded and gullible...
I refrained from posting in Everdrone's power-cable thread but why not here...?
I'm a scientist (for real, this is what I do everyday, what I've trained for, this is who I am). I'll consider the facts, not the sales-pitch, nor the opinion of an endorser or the anectodal results of a few persons. The internet is the worst vehicle for objectivity...
By facts I mean proof, not biased opinions.
Don't swear to me that it works better, don't tell me that I'm not skeptical but frustrated that I can't afford it or don't know tone (or TOANZ or whatever stupid spelling internet morons use). Show me the difference on an oscilloscope and then I'll tell you you are right.
However, I'm the kind of guy who will still probably tell you that, yes, empirically you've proven the difference between the 40$ and 6k$ cables (if it ever happens) but to me it'll be back not to the actual existing difference but to "is it really audible" and "is the difference Worth 5960$?".
For some it will be (both audible and Worth it) but for me the difference would have to be pretty huge, both because blowing that kind of money on a cable would be ridiculous in my situation (good paying job, house payments, kids, the real life of a normal person with priorities) and because I'm quite happy with my tone as it is (yes, it can always be improved but my point here is: by how much for that much money?).
I'm quite a believer in the fact that most of the little things we hear by ourselves mostly disappear as soon as the drums, bass, singer and other guitar player kick in... however, the ones we WANT to hear never do no matter what.
Suggestion is a powerful force.
To each his own of course but first show me facts, not sales pitches...
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Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?
werd Surgeon!
And as another scientist, while there may be a difference on the scope, it may still mean jack to our analog perceptual system.
CD players with ridiculous oversampling rates is the perfect example. Undertones so high even a dog can't hear them. And prices so high no few could afford them. And it was COMPLETELY INNAUDIBLE, UNNOTICEABLE, NO BLIND TEST DIFFERENCES OF ANY KIND!
I'm going to call bull$h!t in principle unless you tell me differently.
I was in a room listening to Frank's Zephyr comparison. Were they different? Sure. Would I have picked them as better, maybe maybe not. Was $ worth the difference even if I had it? oh hells no.
Eric Johnson, for all his his insane yapping, has never actually sat down in a blind, randomized, measured, study to see just which battery was which. And he won't do it because he would look like like a dumb@$$. Right now, we only THINK he is a nut. Then we would KNOW.
werd Surgeon!
And as another scientist, while there may be a difference on the scope, it may still mean jack to our analog perceptual system.
CD players with ridiculous oversampling rates is the perfect example. Undertones so high even a dog can't hear them. And prices so high no few could afford them. And it was COMPLETELY INNAUDIBLE, UNNOTICEABLE, NO BLIND TEST DIFFERENCES OF ANY KIND!
I'm going to call bull$h!t in principle unless you tell me differently.
I was in a room listening to Frank's Zephyr comparison. Were they different? Sure. Would I have picked them as better, maybe maybe not. Was $ worth the difference even if I had it? oh hells no.
Eric Johnson, for all his his insane yapping, has never actually sat down in a blind, randomized, measured, study to see just which battery was which. And he won't do it because he would look like like a dumb@$$. Right now, we only THINK he is a nut. Then we would KNOW.
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