How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

[GuitarStv]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

There is an unusual concentration of sense in this thread about overpriced cables.

 

[Surgeon]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

werd Surgeon!

And as another scientist, while there may be a difference on the scope, it may still mean jack to our analog perceptual system.

CD players with ridiculous oversampling rates is the perfect example. Undertones so high even a dog can't hear them. And prices so high no few could afford them. And it was COMPLETELY INNAUDIBLE, UNNOTICEABLE, NO BLIND TEST DIFFERENCES OF ANY KIND!

I'm going to call bull$h!t in principle unless you tell me differently.

I was in a room listening to Frank's Zephyr comparison. Were they different? Sure. Would I have picked them as better, maybe maybe not. Was $ worth the difference even if I had it? oh hells no.


Eric Johnson, for all his his insane yapping, has never actually sat down in a blind, randomized, measured, study to see just which battery was which. And he won't do it because he would look like like a dumb@$$. Right now, we only THINK he is a nut. Then we would KNOW.

Funny, I refrained from using EJ as an example in my reply...

Dude lost all credibility when I heard he went berzerk on one of his guitar techs because the guy didn't put his tremcover screws in the right order therefore ruining his tone... sorry bro, you're good and all but be realistic for a minute...

Again, I didn't witness it personnaly so it could be just another internet tall-tale but it doesn't seem that much out of whack with the character...

We seem to see eye to eye about the scope thing but my first point is: show it to me. I'm yet to see (I haven't searched that hard though to be honest) a cie. produing that kind of proof to support claims about uber-expensive cables or other fancy stuff... I know most folks don't ask for it but you and I must not be the only ones to question things like that huh?

One of my little hobbies is doin' pretty much the same with most quack remedies out there. I find one that really irritates me with its bogus claims, send emails asking to see the "scientific studies" they claim to have performed. The best ones send me press releases and stop answering when I reply that those aren't results, just claims again. The worst ones just never reply... it's a fun exercise...

 

[Rockstar216]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

werd Surgeon!

And as another scientist, while there may be a difference on the scope, it may still mean jack to our analog perceptual system.

CD players with ridiculous oversampling rates is the perfect example. Undertones so high even a dog can't hear them. And prices so high no few could afford them. And it was COMPLETELY INNAUDIBLE, UNNOTICEABLE, NO BLIND TEST DIFFERENCES OF ANY KIND!

I'm going to call bull$h!t in principle unless you tell me differently.

I was in a room listening to Frank's Zephyr comparison. Were they different? Sure. Would I have picked them as better, maybe maybe not. Was $ worth the difference even if I had it? oh hells no.


Eric Johnson, for all his his insane yapping, has never actually sat down in a blind, randomized, measured, study to see just which battery was which. And he won't do it because he would look like like a dumb@$$. Right now, we only THINK he is a nut. Then we would KNOW.

The difference between the Zephyrs and the Gold cable is that the cost of the Zephyr can be justified in the cost of material and labor while the gold cable I have to ask is their even $6,000 worth of gold in it?

I agree with what your saying about both products though but I would buy a Zephyr over a Gold cable for numerous reasons.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

Poor Eric Johnson, I believe his original comment was along the lines of him preferring carbon batteries over alkaline for his fuzzes. (That may have been communicated as one brand over another; Everready vs Duracell)

EDIT - I just read his clarification and it was something like this. One time he changed a battery and it made a tonal difference, so now he always sticks with one brand for consistency. (Not quite what I was thinking...)

The interesting thing on cables is that the do make a difference in sound. Sometimes it's no big deal, sometimes it is... It all comes down to the impedance in your guitar/rig and your listening preferences. There is a story that SRV didn't like the tone of a new, fancy cable that his tech provided. He said to go get the cheap ones from Radio Shack. ...and that makes sense because the extra capacitance in the cheap cable lowers the resonant peak of the pickup. Another colloquial story is Carlos Santana... He was accustomed to using 100ft cables live. When he switched to wireless, an accommodation had to be made to approximate the signal loading that long run of capacitance was adding.

I'm only commenting because I just moved a set of SSL-1s from one guitar to another. In the process I completely rewired the guitar with new pots/caps/jack/etc. I know pickups sound different in different guitars but what I'm hearing is like the proverbial blanket being lifted. I may have had some poor solder joint or components before, but small things do change subjective things like "tone".

By the way, is this cable $79 or $6K?

 

[Aceman]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

The key there, PF, is that the "difference" has nothing to do with the price.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

It's a good thing the link disappeared. I mighta started jonesin and stuff! :dunno:

 

[Surgeon]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

It's a good thing the link disappeared. I mighta started jonesin and stuff! :dunno:

REally... you?

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

By the way, is this cable $79 or $6K?

They have an instrument cable at each price point, among others.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

Why does Eric's johnson always come up in these threads?

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

Why does Eric Johnson always come up in these threads?

Because he's notoriously picky (according to legend, anyway) about his gear. And because he has awesome, godlike tone that's orders of magnitude better than that of most people who will ever play the electric guitar. He, of all the players I can think of, is in a position to lend some credence to the hardcore corksniffery.

I have no idea if he can hear a difference in batteries. I've decided though, that I'll hold off on criticizing his methods and preferences until I can play with at least a pitiful fraction of his chops and tone. Doesn't mean I think he's right, just that I don't know.

 

[NecroPolo]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

I understand that certain people has a super fine perception that can tell a certain difference between certain subtle things. Also I understand that many are believers of certain subtle things that make their things better. But I understand the most that I'm not among them.

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

Oh good, another "Monster" cable marketing copy. The ultimate blooze lawyer cables.

Here's where I've started getting all of my cables. http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=115&cp_id=11509 The HDMI cables are between $3-$5. Yes, they've got gold plated connectors and everything. Yes, they work great. No, this site is not a scam. I've used several of their mic and instrument cables. All good quality. My primary pedalboard > amp cable is from here. I've been using it over a year with no issues.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

Oh good, another "Monster" cable marketing copy. The ultimate blooze lawyer cables.

Monster Cable is the McDonalds of expensive cables. There's an entire world of esoteric cable companies that most here have never heard of. Most of them are entirely in the high-end audio industry, what used to be known as hi-fi. There are speaker cables with prices that you'd mistake for one of our annual salaries.

But like the Nelly Furtado song reminds us, "Don't need a Rolex to know what the time is." It's just like anything else: If there's someone out there who can spend more on something, somebody will come up with a more expensive version of whatever it is, and sell it to them. Cars, houses, clothes, jewelry, art, booze…

 

[Ayrton]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

I don't think EJ even uses trem covers...

I always get a chuckle out of threads where someone attempts to defend their mega $$$$ guitar, cable, strings, pedals or whatever the hell else is the "must have" gear of the week. I wrap myself in the comfort of knowing that 99% of the music I know and love was created with '70's Fenders and Gibsons, stock pickups, stock amps, Boss pedals, and whatever instrument cord that happen to be lying around.

I don't know what kind of person feels they need a $6,000 guitar cord, but shine on you crazy diamond!

 

[Securb]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

Oh good, another "Monster" cable marketing copy. The ultimate blooze lawyer cables.

Here's where I've started getting all of my cables. http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=115&cp_id=11509 The HDMI cables are between $3-$5. Yes, they've got gold plated connectors and everything. Yes, they work great. No, this site is not a scam. I've used several of their mic and instrument cables. All good quality. My primary pedalboard > amp cable is from here. I've been using it over a year with no issues.

I have been using monoprice for years now for my computer and home audio cables. I have never had a problem. I have never used their mic and instrument cables but will give them a try on your recommendation.

 

[Rockstar216]

Re: How about a $6,000 cable to go along with your $1,000 P.A.Fs and $25,000 guitar?

Oh good, another "Monster" cable marketing copy. The ultimate blooze lawyer cables.

Here's where I've started getting all of my cables. http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=115&cp_id=11509 The HDMI cables are between $3-$5. Yes, they've got gold plated connectors and everything. Yes, they work great. No, this site is not a scam. I've used several of their mic and instrument cables. All good quality. My primary pedalboard > amp cable is from here. I've been using it over a year with no issues.

Are those low capacitance cables?