How close are Hyperions to Pegasus/sentient?

[Reee]

I'm especially interested in the Pegasus, but the only demos of it are downtuned chugging with too much gain, I'm more of a fusion player so these demos tell me nothing useful about the pickups.

Would demos of the hyperions give me a good idea of how the Pegasus sounds, or are they too different?

also are they lower output than a 59 bridge? i'm confused by this post https://forum.seymourduncan.com/for...08433-seymour-duncan-pickup-output-experiment

I'm looking for something with the output of a JB but a bit more clarity, maybe the full shred, but it sounds a little cheesy on youtube (maybe lack of proper demo)

 

[Mincer]

I will say that unless a mid-focused overdrive is used (805 or other TS-type), the Pegasus might have lows that are too tight, and may be too compressed for what I consider the better fusion tones. Holdsworth used a neck 59 in the bridge, and most other people who need/use a good fusion tone would do better with a Custom Custom, or even a Black Winter.

 

[Reee]

I will say that unless a mid-focused overdrive is used (805 or other TS-type), the Pegasus might have lows that are too tight, and may be too compressed for what I consider the better fusion tones. Holdsworth used a neck 59 in the bridge, and most other people who need/use a good fusion tone would do better with a Custom Custom, or even a Black Winter.

i certainly dig the 59, but i want something fatter and higher output, like a JB with more clarity. i had a custom 5 in the past but i found it bland, it didn't really have the sparkle or sponginess of the 59. perhaps i should try the full shred after all.

 

[Synapsys]

Consider the PATB series instead.

 

[Masta' C]

Agreed...PATB-1 sounds like what you want!

 

[Mincer]

Remember, there isn't just one fusion tone. John McLaughlin sounds a lot different than Holdsworth, Gambale, and Di Meola. What are you going for?

 

[Reee]

Remember, there isn't just one fusion tone. John McLaughlin sounds a lot different than Holdsworth, Gambale, and Di Meola. What are you going for?

i'll just buy a JB and call it a day, it's too expensive and tiresome to keep obsessing over pickups, the tones I like are something between Greg Howe on Extraction and Guthrie Govan's charvel tones, a thick warm singing tone with a lot of mids and output but still very dynamic.

 

[Mincer]

To be, a JB is way too compressed for a good fusion tone. Perhaps something like Gambale, who uses a ton of distortion, and maybe some modern fusion players. I need dynamics to play my fusion..haha.

This is the fusion tone that I love (solo starts at 4:35):

 

[Reee]

To be, a JB is way too compressed for a good fusion tone. Perhaps something like Gambale, who uses a ton of distortion, and maybe some modern fusion players. I need dynamics to play my fusion..haha.

This is the fusion tone that I love (solo starts at 4:35):

it depends, guthrie govan used a suhr ssh+ for the longest time which is basically a JB with a little less honk, he still sounded pretty fusion to me, just a different flavor

 

[LoveMyIbanez]

While I can't say how close a Hyperion is to a Sentient/Pegasus, I can tell you that the bridge Hyperion, for all that it has a much higher DC resistance to a 59, isnt much hotter sounding, and seems thin in comparison. I popped an A4 magnet in mine, and it is quite PAF-like now (which I like), though the output feels like it's less than a 59 now (which I don't like).
The neck isnt terribly far from a 59 or Jazz. Would be great for fusion IMHO.

 

[Mincer]

Govan is a great player, and while I'd certainly put his playing and skill in the fusion category, I think his tone is a pretty modern shreddy one vs classic fusion. That seems to be the tone lots of these players are going for. I'd suggest for a more open tone, the Pegasus & Sentient. For more mids, the Black Winter set.

 

[Reee]

Govan is a great player, and while I'd certainly put his playing and skill in the fusion category, I think his tone is a pretty modern shreddy one vs classic fusion. That seems to be the tone lots of these players are going for. I'd suggest for a more open tone, the Pegasus & Sentient. For more mids, the Black Winter set.

guess i like the shreddy tone, i grew up on iron maiden and such so that tone is part of my DNA even when i play fusion, i think for players like govan the same time applies, the guys like holdsworth and henderson grew up earlier in a less distorted climate and i guess it reflects their more polite tones.

I will probably get the JB (probably trembucker, not sure if it is different in tone and output from the non-trembucker), cause even when i had a Custom 5 i found is slightly underpowered, pegasus would probably appeal to me even less so.

black winters are off my list as i don't really like ceramic pickups much.

 

[Mincer]

Don't judge the pickups by the magnets. They are part of the overall design. A JB is a fine choice, I just never thought it was particularly fusiony- I think the high mids and higher output makes complex chords seem a little mushy.

 

[Reee]

Don't judge the pickups by the magnets. They are part of the overall design. A JB is a fine choice, I just never thought it was particularly fusiony- I think the high mids and higher output makes complex chords seem a little mushy.

probably not the best for chording indeed, but i'll install a 5-way so i could switch to one of the in-between positions for that, and i've also found the Jazz neck to be very clear under high gain even for chords.

 

[Demanic]

I was going to say just get an X2N and put a series/parallel switch on it. Then I remembered my Crunchlab. It'll do fusion if you roll back the volume.

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[SFW]

The PATB-1 is a great pickup! I highly recommend it to anyone wanting a balanced bridge pickup. The B/M/T is extremely well balanced. It is my goto pickup for any guitar with a Floyd Rose setup. It has about the same heat as a JB, but is very balanced across the EQ spectrum. The mids are warm and fat. I currently have a PATB-1 set in my Charvel ProMod, and they have been there for several years. Love these pickups!

 

[Reee]

Don't judge the pickups by the magnets. They are part of the overall design. A JB is a fine choice, I just never thought it was particularly fusiony- I think the high mids and higher output makes complex chords seem a little mushy.

I just tried the JB trembucker, i like the output and thickness it has, but it is too compressed like you said! I like the 59 bridge but it doesn't have enough output and snarl, would the Custom 5 be similar to the 59 but thicker and more snarly??

 

[Mincer]

The Custom 5 has less mids and about 1.5x the output of a 59. If you want something thicker and more snarly than the 59, that is the Custom Custom.

 

[Reee]

The Custom 5 has less mids and about 1.5x the output of a 59. If you want something thicker and more snarly than the 59, that is the Custom Custom.

and what about the pegasus? is it halfway between a JB and a 59?

 

[Mincer]

It is closer to the 59 than the JB. The output isn't as high as a JB, there is less compression, but the low end is massive. It doesn't have the upper mid JB thing, either.