How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
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Binnerscot
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
There really isn't as much crazy layering these days as many amps have a "thicker" sound than the 80's when they were trying to bulk up the sound of those thin Marshalls.
Use a good amp and talk to your sound engineer, have him run a compressor on your guitar at the board.
He should know what to do, but a 2.5:1 ratio with a fast attack and fast release will fatten it up and make it more prominent in the mix. It will be much closer to what you hear on recordings.
There really isn't as much crazy layering these days as many amps have a "thicker" sound than the 80's when they were trying to bulk up the sound of those thin Marshalls.
Use a good amp and talk to your sound engineer, have him run a compressor on your guitar at the board.
He should know what to do, but a 2.5:1 ratio with a fast attack and fast release will fatten it up and make it more prominent in the mix. It will be much closer to what you hear on recordings.
Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
I've often wondered myself how to get that "double-tracked" sound live.
I think Robert S mentioned that he was able to do it or at least get close with a stereo rig and a pitch shifter set to delay one side by a few milliseconds.
I've often wondered myself how to get that "double-tracked" sound live.
I think Robert S mentioned that he was able to do it or at least get close with a stereo rig and a pitch shifter set to delay one side by a few milliseconds.
Binnerscot
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Lazarus1140
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
Would it help to run through a tight slap-back delay?
Would it help to run through a tight slap-back delay?
Chickenwings
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
two amps with a touch of chorus one one....but really for live its not really such a big deal to exactly replicate the studio sound...otherwise you might as well just put on the recording...juts aim to play the right note at the right time and give the ppl a good show.
two amps with a touch of chorus one one....but really for live its not really such a big deal to exactly replicate the studio sound...otherwise you might as well just put on the recording...juts aim to play the right note at the right time and give the ppl a good show.
ksmith63
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
Well I won't be able to EXACTLY recreate the tone but something just seems to be missing when my band was practicing recently. Softer and clean parts were ok but the heavier distorted parts seemed to lack a little. I don't really know how to describe it.
Tone was great but...
Edit: I've heard of people using chorus/slight delay/maybe touch of reverb after the preamp gain for live shows. Would this add some depth that maybe I've been missing?
I may make our singer play some power chords here and there. He wants to jump around like a monkey (cedric bixler style) but he's a great guitar player too.
Well I won't be able to EXACTLY recreate the tone but something just seems to be missing when my band was practicing recently. Softer and clean parts were ok but the heavier distorted parts seemed to lack a little. I don't really know how to describe it.
Tone was great but...
Edit: I've heard of people using chorus/slight delay/maybe touch of reverb after the preamp gain for live shows. Would this add some depth that maybe I've been missing?
I may make our singer play some power chords here and there. He wants to jump around like a monkey (cedric bixler style) but he's a great guitar player too.
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woemoejack
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
i've used two cabs before, but thats a pain to lug around. If I am the only guitarist up there, I have the soundman use 2 mics on the cab, mic 2 different speakers. one close up to the grill, the other about 6 inches back.
i've used two cabs before, but thats a pain to lug around. If I am the only guitarist up there, I have the soundman use 2 mics on the cab, mic 2 different speakers. one close up to the grill, the other about 6 inches back.
Binnerscot
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
Sir, that would be the compression (at the board, not a pedal) that I mentioned above...take it from a guy with 15+ years behind a board (live and recording).
Sir, that would be the compression (at the board, not a pedal) that I mentioned above...take it from a guy with 15+ years behind a board (live and recording).
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
its funny with a lot of stuff like chorusing and delays etc....you end up losing more than you gain....keep your rig simple and repsonsive and let the FOH guy do the rest...
its funny with a lot of stuff like chorusing and delays etc....you end up losing more than you gain....keep your rig simple and repsonsive and let the FOH guy do the rest...
Empty Pockets
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
seen lots of heavy bands get massive tones using complimentary amps
a couple of Oranges and a Sunn
a couple of Laneys and a Matamp
a couple of Marshalls and a Twin
seen lots of heavy bands get massive tones using complimentary amps
a couple of Oranges and a Sunn
a couple of Laneys and a Matamp
a couple of Marshalls and a Twin
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
2 different amps working together will go a long way and if you really want to add width to the tone put a single repeat delay on one amp spaced very tightly...
2 different amps working together will go a long way and if you really want to add width to the tone put a single repeat delay on one amp spaced very tightly...
Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
It might be simpler:
Good playing. If you are awesome, they won't miss that 12 string part with the reverse reverb.
Do something completely different. Live playing is, and should be different than the studio- it is like the difference between a love letter and a hot date. So this goes along with the first suggestion and rearrange your guitar parts with your current gear and showcase your arranging chops.
It might be simpler:
Good playing. If you are awesome, they won't miss that 12 string part with the reverse reverb.
Do something completely different. Live playing is, and should be different than the studio- it is like the difference between a love letter and a hot date. So this goes along with the first suggestion and rearrange your guitar parts with your current gear and showcase your arranging chops.
ksmith63
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Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
This thread rocks. Thank you to everyone that has replied.
What I think I will do:
1. Trust the guy at the FOH. This is painful and most of them at the place I've played are complete amateurs....but there is no choice.
2. DUAL AMP SETUP! I'll give this one a try and I'm shocked I never thought of it before. My Mesa D-180 is a guitar amp as well + our "bass cabinet" is pretty much a big tuned guitar cab w/ 12" eminence delta-lites so it sounds pretty cool with guitar as well. Not 'typical' but I love some raunchy low mid heavy bass tones. We have a new bass player that has his own rig so I guess it'll be good to have this stuff as a backup.
The D-180 sounds very "dry" or "stiff" with a guitar....any thoughts on how to help this?
This thread rocks. Thank you to everyone that has replied.
What I think I will do:
1. Trust the guy at the FOH. This is painful and most of them at the place I've played are complete amateurs....but there is no choice.
2. DUAL AMP SETUP! I'll give this one a try and I'm shocked I never thought of it before. My Mesa D-180 is a guitar amp as well + our "bass cabinet" is pretty much a big tuned guitar cab w/ 12" eminence delta-lites so it sounds pretty cool with guitar as well. Not 'typical' but I love some raunchy low mid heavy bass tones. We have a new bass player that has his own rig so I guess it'll be good to have this stuff as a backup.
The D-180 sounds very "dry" or "stiff" with a guitar....any thoughts on how to help this?
cakire82
Cake Mire
Re: How to get that "monster" layered guitar tone live?
Reminds me of Petrucci, i think his key seems to be stereo setup with slap back delay and chorus
Reminds me of Petrucci, i think his key seems to be stereo setup with slap back delay and chorus
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