HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
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BachToRock
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Sounds like your wiring job... I play under high gain with only a tiny bit of hum from the mis-matched coils.
BachToRock
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Man... I just noticed that this thread has the most views of any thread ever in this forum...
I wonder how many hybrid users there are out there by now?
Chime in if you are using a hybrid...
Man... I just noticed that this thread has the most views of any thread ever in this forum...
I wonder how many hybrid users there are out there by now?
Chime in if you are using a hybrid...
jimijames
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
well... now that it's already been bumped...
add +1 to your list of users
edit: by the way, I ran across someone who was passing your original post off as his own, check this out:http://www.frankenstraat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=148
If it doesn't work, it's because you have to be a member to use it, I'm not sure, I used to be able to access it without signing up, but just recently it hasn't worked. To see it, after you sign up, go to forums, then electrical, and it should be the first thread (stickied too). Just wanted to bring this to your attention so credit can be given where it is due. (Unless in the case that you are the administrator for the frankenstraat.com, in which case I most sincerely apologize)
well... now that it's already been bumped...
add +1 to your list of users
edit: by the way, I ran across someone who was passing your original post off as his own, check this out:http://www.frankenstraat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=148
If it doesn't work, it's because you have to be a member to use it, I'm not sure, I used to be able to access it without signing up, but just recently it hasn't worked. To see it, after you sign up, go to forums, then electrical, and it should be the first thread (stickied too). Just wanted to bring this to your attention so credit can be given where it is due. (Unless in the case that you are the administrator for the frankenstraat.com, in which case I most sincerely apologize)
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crusty philtrum
Vintageologist
Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Hi
I have put a pair of hybrids into my Hamer Studio Custom.... 59/Jazz in the neck and 59/Custom in the bridge. Both have Gibson covers. I have retained the Hamer 300K custom taper pots and wiring. I read this entire thread over many times and decided to give it a go.
First, let me say that I got the Hamer not too long back (they're not sold here in Australia, or weren't at the time) and it had a pair of covered 59's as stock equipment. I played it a lot and listened very carefully....it's clearly a really resonant piece of wood and it sounded pretty fine stock, but i felt it could be even better.
As soon as the hydrids were in, i continued to play through exactly the same amps and settings that i had been using in the lead-up to the swap.
These pickups are IT !!! Everything else i have ever heard or used sounds flat and lifeless by comparrison. I am a big believer in the clean sound of a guitar and an amp being as good as possible, and then that will only get even better with overdriven tones.
The neck 59/Jazz (A5)neck is a thing of beauty in this guitar. It is so full and harmonically rich, dripping with overtones, notes and chords bloom and i find myself having trouble actually playing as it is such a joy to just listen. I always use valve amps, often with EF86 pre-amp tubes, and the sound of this pickup is like a new musical dimension i could never have imagined....and i have been playing for 35 years and owned a lot of good gear. I tried an A3 magnet in this pickup at first but it was a disappointment...TOO chimey trebles and loose and flubby bass. I changed to A5 and found the timbres i am trying to describe.
The bridge pickup?....WOW!....this 59/Custom (A5)....has it all going on....clean, it is more detailed and complex, with bite and sting, and very responsive to playing styles (as is the neck, btw). Much more three dimensional than the 59. But this pickup really starts to shine when the sound gets a little driven. It seems to cover from 70's rock sounds right up to contemporary, depending on what kind of drive, and how much. I feel like i can get from Paul Kossoff /Peter Green through to AC/DC to EVH tones and beyond. Depending on technique, i can find classic vintage rock sounds to fierce thumping riffage with muting, and screaming harmonics, pretty much everything i can imagine. The neck pup also is wonderful with overdrive, it sings and moans and wails and always seems articulate.
The in-between, or 'both on' sounds, esp clean, are gorgeous. I suppose in a way it's almost like a 4 coil hybrid! It has so much character, depth and detail, i still find myself just playing a chord and letting it ring to just...LISTEN....and i play some complex chords to see if i can hear any garble, but there is none.
I have to say that the Hamer is a great guitar to begin with...superb wood with beautful resonance....and the hybrids just find those things and bring them out. I have another pair to go into a Fernandes LP, just waiting for that to come back from having a fret job....and am looking forward to hearing that baby with the hybrids installed.
I notice some people mention the tiny bit of extra hum....well yes, but in my case, it is barely noticeable, and lets face it.....for tone like this.....it's a no-brainer. I guess for really high gain playing that may be a consideration, and it is likely that this pickup is not the ideal in those circumstances.
BachToRock, i feel sure that any and all who have built or bought a hybrid and had the joy of playing using them feels a great debt of gratitude to you for sharing this wonderfulness with us all. The only problem is, apart from forgetting to play because i just enjoy listening to my guitar so much, is that anything else on the forum now seems kind of....ordinary, flat and hard to get excited about. Hehe. There is a certain inner warmth knowing one has an instrument that can produce sounds that impress the soul as much as the ear.
It is desevedly right that your thread is the most highly-viewed ever, and long may that continue. If i wasn't so far away, i would be sure to seek you out and ply you with as many rounds of your favourite drink as you deemed suitable.
To anyone who has read this BTR thread and become enthused....TRY THESE PICKUPS !! Spend a few hours really listening to your instrument in fine detail, mostly clean, then make the swap and listen again. If you are not smiling from ear to ear, i would suspect that your guitar is beyond redemtion or you are hearing impaired. Then go to your overdriven sounds and......suddenly hear the player you always wondered if you could be.....and know true happiness.......
THE END ......(and the beginning....)
Hi
I have put a pair of hybrids into my Hamer Studio Custom.... 59/Jazz in the neck and 59/Custom in the bridge. Both have Gibson covers. I have retained the Hamer 300K custom taper pots and wiring. I read this entire thread over many times and decided to give it a go.
First, let me say that I got the Hamer not too long back (they're not sold here in Australia, or weren't at the time) and it had a pair of covered 59's as stock equipment. I played it a lot and listened very carefully....it's clearly a really resonant piece of wood and it sounded pretty fine stock, but i felt it could be even better.
As soon as the hydrids were in, i continued to play through exactly the same amps and settings that i had been using in the lead-up to the swap.
These pickups are IT !!! Everything else i have ever heard or used sounds flat and lifeless by comparrison. I am a big believer in the clean sound of a guitar and an amp being as good as possible, and then that will only get even better with overdriven tones.
The neck 59/Jazz (A5)neck is a thing of beauty in this guitar. It is so full and harmonically rich, dripping with overtones, notes and chords bloom and i find myself having trouble actually playing as it is such a joy to just listen. I always use valve amps, often with EF86 pre-amp tubes, and the sound of this pickup is like a new musical dimension i could never have imagined....and i have been playing for 35 years and owned a lot of good gear. I tried an A3 magnet in this pickup at first but it was a disappointment...TOO chimey trebles and loose and flubby bass. I changed to A5 and found the timbres i am trying to describe.
The bridge pickup?....WOW!....this 59/Custom (A5)....has it all going on....clean, it is more detailed and complex, with bite and sting, and very responsive to playing styles (as is the neck, btw). Much more three dimensional than the 59. But this pickup really starts to shine when the sound gets a little driven. It seems to cover from 70's rock sounds right up to contemporary, depending on what kind of drive, and how much. I feel like i can get from Paul Kossoff /Peter Green through to AC/DC to EVH tones and beyond. Depending on technique, i can find classic vintage rock sounds to fierce thumping riffage with muting, and screaming harmonics, pretty much everything i can imagine. The neck pup also is wonderful with overdrive, it sings and moans and wails and always seems articulate.
The in-between, or 'both on' sounds, esp clean, are gorgeous. I suppose in a way it's almost like a 4 coil hybrid! It has so much character, depth and detail, i still find myself just playing a chord and letting it ring to just...LISTEN....and i play some complex chords to see if i can hear any garble, but there is none.
I have to say that the Hamer is a great guitar to begin with...superb wood with beautful resonance....and the hybrids just find those things and bring them out. I have another pair to go into a Fernandes LP, just waiting for that to come back from having a fret job....and am looking forward to hearing that baby with the hybrids installed.
I notice some people mention the tiny bit of extra hum....well yes, but in my case, it is barely noticeable, and lets face it.....for tone like this.....it's a no-brainer. I guess for really high gain playing that may be a consideration, and it is likely that this pickup is not the ideal in those circumstances.
BachToRock, i feel sure that any and all who have built or bought a hybrid and had the joy of playing using them feels a great debt of gratitude to you for sharing this wonderfulness with us all. The only problem is, apart from forgetting to play because i just enjoy listening to my guitar so much, is that anything else on the forum now seems kind of....ordinary, flat and hard to get excited about. Hehe. There is a certain inner warmth knowing one has an instrument that can produce sounds that impress the soul as much as the ear.
It is desevedly right that your thread is the most highly-viewed ever, and long may that continue. If i wasn't so far away, i would be sure to seek you out and ply you with as many rounds of your favourite drink as you deemed suitable.
To anyone who has read this BTR thread and become enthused....TRY THESE PICKUPS !! Spend a few hours really listening to your instrument in fine detail, mostly clean, then make the swap and listen again. If you are not smiling from ear to ear, i would suspect that your guitar is beyond redemtion or you are hearing impaired. Then go to your overdriven sounds and......suddenly hear the player you always wondered if you could be.....and know true happiness.......
THE END ......(and the beginning....)
roadstar II
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
I love this hybrid but liked the dimarzio NORTON even more
the norton uses the same idea(one coil at 5K and the other at 7K) both using different wire and the result is a pup that is just plainUNIQUE
the unwound strings have a paf type clang to them and the wound strings have the beef that a stock paf lacks for me
the norton sounds a lot like EVH's bridge pup when he played a EBMM
clean,crisp but still heavy and mean when needed
but all and all the 59/custom hybrid is great too and sounds more old school halen than the dimarzio does
I love this hybrid but liked the dimarzio NORTON even more
the norton uses the same idea(one coil at 5K and the other at 7K) both using different wire and the result is a pup that is just plainUNIQUE
the unwound strings have a paf type clang to them and the wound strings have the beef that a stock paf lacks for me
the norton sounds a lot like EVH's bridge pup when he played a EBMM
clean,crisp but still heavy and mean when needed
but all and all the 59/custom hybrid is great too and sounds more old school halen than the dimarzio does
BachToRock
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Wow CRUSTY... now that's a review!
Wow CRUSTY... now that's a review!
sstanfield
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
I have a 59/Jazz and 59/Custom set I bought from BTR in my Warmoth Thinline, and it definitely has the best tone of any of my guitars!
I have a 59/Jazz and 59/Custom set I bought from BTR in my Warmoth Thinline, and it definitely has the best tone of any of my guitars!
Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
first off...thanks to BTR for these hybrids...made a few of them already...59/C and 59/Jazz hybrids....I am about to make a jb/custom hybrid now.....I removed the tape from a cutom and found them to be covered w/ copper around each coil (similar to the copper tape we all use for sheilding.....the copper shield is connected to the baseplate (grounded) .This is all new to me when it comes to SD pickups and I have had my fair share of taking apart these humbuckers ...any advice on how to proceed from here? should I just remove the copper tape or cover the other coil from the jb w/ the same copper tape ? thanks
first off...thanks to BTR for these hybrids...made a few of them already...59/C and 59/Jazz hybrids....I am about to make a jb/custom hybrid now.....I removed the tape from a cutom and found them to be covered w/ copper around each coil (similar to the copper tape we all use for sheilding.....the copper shield is connected to the baseplate (grounded) .This is all new to me when it comes to SD pickups and I have had my fair share of taking apart these humbuckers ...any advice on how to proceed from here? should I just remove the copper tape or cover the other coil from the jb w/ the same copper tape ? thanks
Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
ok, figured out how to do the copper shielding re: the above post....already got the jb/custom working.....jb screw and custom slug w/ al5 magnets....what can I say? IT SINGS !!!! great sustain and harmonics galore ! have it matched w/ a 59/jazz neck pup and on a carvin bolt ......with both pickups split, I get a nice psuedo tele sound...guitar is so versatile w/ these pups, they respond very well to volume changes...so many tones just by changing the volume !
ok, figured out how to do the copper shielding re: the above post....already got the jb/custom working.....jb screw and custom slug w/ al5 magnets....what can I say? IT SINGS !!!! great sustain and harmonics galore ! have it matched w/ a 59/jazz neck pup and on a carvin bolt ......with both pickups split, I get a nice psuedo tele sound...guitar is so versatile w/ these pups, they respond very well to volume changes...so many tones just by changing the volume !
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
User and "do-er".
I really like the C5/59 in the bridge, but the 59/DD in the neck is cool too. Mostly, if you split it. Split it one way for that vintage 59 vibe . . . split the other way for the Distortion "warm and smooth" vibe.
User and "do-er".
I really like the C5/59 in the bridge, but the 59/DD in the neck is cool too. Mostly, if you split it. Split it one way for that vintage 59 vibe . . . split the other way for the Distortion "warm and smooth" vibe.
larry_emder
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
I have a custom trembucker and a normal spaced 59b......
Will they fit together as a hybrid??
I have a custom trembucker and a normal spaced 59b......
Will they fit together as a hybrid??
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
It wouldn't be impossible, but it would be some work. First off, you'ld need to match the baseplate to whichever screw coil you used. For example, if you use the Custom screw coil, you'ld need to use the Custom baseplate. Thats because of the screw holes and the spacer holes. Next, you'ld need to slightly elongate the bobbin mounting holes in the baseplate, using a Dremel or similar, to match the narrower bobbin mounting screws of the 59.
Exact opposite scenario if you use the 59 screw coil. Tricky, but not impossible.
It wouldn't be impossible, but it would be some work. First off, you'ld need to match the baseplate to whichever screw coil you used. For example, if you use the Custom screw coil, you'ld need to use the Custom baseplate. Thats because of the screw holes and the spacer holes. Next, you'ld need to slightly elongate the bobbin mounting holes in the baseplate, using a Dremel or similar, to match the narrower bobbin mounting screws of the 59.
Exact opposite scenario if you use the 59 screw coil. Tricky, but not impossible.
larry_emder
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Thanks artie. I wont bother then.
Thanks artie. I wont bother then.
BachToRock
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Here's some new flavors... a Blues/Custom Custom Trembucker Hybrid pair...
Made these at a request... great tone!
Blues "screw" coil and Custom slug coil... A5 magnet from Blues
Custom screw coil and Blues "stud" coil... A2 magnet from CC
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Here's some new flavors... a Blues/Custom Custom Trembucker Hybrid pair...
Made these at a request... great tone!
Blues "screw" coil and Custom slug coil... A5 magnet from Blues
Custom screw coil and Blues "stud" coil... A2 magnet from CC
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Hi BTR, few quick questions for you...
1. Which coils (slug or screw) do you use for the 59/jazz hybrid neck? What are the differences between different coil combinations?
2. What magnet do you use in this combination and what are the differences in use between a2, a5 and ceramic?
Thanks BTR!
Hi BTR, few quick questions for you...
1. Which coils (slug or screw) do you use for the 59/jazz hybrid neck? What are the differences between different coil combinations?
2. What magnet do you use in this combination and what are the differences in use between a2, a5 and ceramic?
Thanks BTR!
hamerfan
Well-known member
Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Hi Ojo, my findings are that the screw / slug thing is not so important when you are looking at a neck pickup and set the screws flat on a neck pickup as i do. Because the coils nearly pickup the nearly same sound.
But how is the opinion on this thread towards the bridge? To me the screw coil (nearer to the bridge) should be the weaker coil (in this case the 59) because the Custom coil (towards the neck) can pickup warmer sounds!
Hi Ojo, my findings are that the screw / slug thing is not so important when you are looking at a neck pickup and set the screws flat on a neck pickup as i do. Because the coils nearly pickup the nearly same sound.
But how is the opinion on this thread towards the bridge? To me the screw coil (nearer to the bridge) should be the weaker coil (in this case the 59) because the Custom coil (towards the neck) can pickup warmer sounds!
hamerfan
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Aarghhh, Bach to Rock answered my Q in post #232:
"I have found that the difference is negligable in full humbucking mode EXCEPT for in a slanted humbucker guitar like a Kramer Baretta where the HIGH strings line up more under the STUD coil and the LOW strings line up more under the SCREW coil... in this scenario there is something about the Custom Slug/59 Screw that just sounds mo' better."
Aarghhh, Bach to Rock answered my Q in post #232:
"I have found that the difference is negligable in full humbucking mode EXCEPT for in a slanted humbucker guitar like a Kramer Baretta where the HIGH strings line up more under the STUD coil and the LOW strings line up more under the SCREW coil... in this scenario there is something about the Custom Slug/59 Screw that just sounds mo' better."
BachToRock
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Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid
Yup... there's definitely a lot of posts to read through... the original and mother of all Hybrid info!
Yup... there's definitely a lot of posts to read through... the original and mother of all Hybrid info!
