How would you...
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Re: How would you...
I think the traditional way would be:
Compressor -> Distortion -> Wah -> Amp -> FX loop out -> Delay-> Chorus-> Phaser FX loop In.
If not effects loop, then just omit.
I think there's any combination you could use, but generally it's gain-based effects first, time-based effects next.
-Matt
I think the traditional way would be:
Compressor -> Distortion -> Wah -> Amp -> FX loop out -> Delay-> Chorus-> Phaser FX loop In.
If not effects loop, then just omit.
I think there's any combination you could use, but generally it's gain-based effects first, time-based effects next.
-Matt
Re: How would you...
Choice one ...
compressor, wah (assume pedal here, not dynamically controlled), distortion,
phaser, delay, chorus ...
Option ... wah before comp, that way the comp grabs the boosted frequencies and compresses them more (changes the feel of the compression), the downside to that ... more noise.
Other reasons and comments ....
The chorus after delay, because it adds a pleasing, but subtle spaciousness to the echos ... chorus before distortion tends to get buried, although with mild overdrive it can work as well (and many do this) ...
The phaser after distortion is a tough call, if it's a two or four stage phaser with low feedback (resonance, intensity, regeneration, etc.), then it may be useful, placing a phaser after distortion makes it go nuts and is very intense compared to the mild effect it has up front. with heavy distortion a phaser can tend to get lost up front if it's a mild phaser. Anything above 6 stages of phasing tends to be a bit much and not very useful distorted (IMHO).
Still, I prefer it there, if you are looking for more of a EVH type of thing, put it in front of distortion, the noise can be roughly the same , but different either way.
If the compressor is used as a limiter, then it should go after what ever stage needs to be limited, if you wanted to keep say the wah, phaser, and distortion roughly the same volume while switching on and off the phaser, moving the wah and on and off, and changing the guitars volume to affect the clean up the signal a bit, well then you'd put the comp after the distortion.
Further comments ...
There is no reason to put compression or limiting (especially compression) after delay, because then it tries to make all the repeat echos the same volume, the same thing happens if you try to run a delay into distortion, there by the time you get the delay low enough to sound like an echo it's clean when the rest of the signal is distorted ... not very natural sounding.
With mild overdrive and doubling style effects, and slapbacks that can work in certain situations though.
The loop thing works the same as putting effects before distortion (front of amp) or after distortion (thru the amps' loop) if you ran the amp clean only it wouldn't really matter, except that more cable between the guitar and amp will eat up more signal, something to consider. So it would be better for your signal to run the FX in the loop. That brings up the point that the amp's EQ is placed after effects (when placed in front of amp) or before effects (placed in amp's loop), this can have a subtle effect on how they sound, most gain related stuff goes up fron of course.
Also, note that some amps send the reverb thru the loop, this means that if your amp does, it will be sending it's reverb into (say for example) your phaser ... so your reverb will have a *swooshy* tail to it, chorus works well here though. That's about all I can think of at the moment.
FretFire said:...connect the following pedals:
Compressor
Wah
Phaser
Chorus
Delay
Distortion
I have a few ideas for different orders, but I wanted to see how some others might route the signal, and why. Just a boredom topic, but it could be interesting
Choice one ...
compressor, wah (assume pedal here, not dynamically controlled), distortion,
phaser, delay, chorus ...
Option ... wah before comp, that way the comp grabs the boosted frequencies and compresses them more (changes the feel of the compression), the downside to that ... more noise.
Other reasons and comments ....
The chorus after delay, because it adds a pleasing, but subtle spaciousness to the echos ... chorus before distortion tends to get buried, although with mild overdrive it can work as well (and many do this) ...
The phaser after distortion is a tough call, if it's a two or four stage phaser with low feedback (resonance, intensity, regeneration, etc.), then it may be useful, placing a phaser after distortion makes it go nuts and is very intense compared to the mild effect it has up front. with heavy distortion a phaser can tend to get lost up front if it's a mild phaser. Anything above 6 stages of phasing tends to be a bit much and not very useful distorted (IMHO).
Still, I prefer it there, if you are looking for more of a EVH type of thing, put it in front of distortion, the noise can be roughly the same , but different either way.
If the compressor is used as a limiter, then it should go after what ever stage needs to be limited, if you wanted to keep say the wah, phaser, and distortion roughly the same volume while switching on and off the phaser, moving the wah and on and off, and changing the guitars volume to affect the clean up the signal a bit, well then you'd put the comp after the distortion.
Further comments ...
There is no reason to put compression or limiting (especially compression) after delay, because then it tries to make all the repeat echos the same volume, the same thing happens if you try to run a delay into distortion, there by the time you get the delay low enough to sound like an echo it's clean when the rest of the signal is distorted ... not very natural sounding.
With mild overdrive and doubling style effects, and slapbacks that can work in certain situations though.
The loop thing works the same as putting effects before distortion (front of amp) or after distortion (thru the amps' loop) if you ran the amp clean only it wouldn't really matter, except that more cable between the guitar and amp will eat up more signal, something to consider. So it would be better for your signal to run the FX in the loop. That brings up the point that the amp's EQ is placed after effects (when placed in front of amp) or before effects (placed in amp's loop), this can have a subtle effect on how they sound, most gain related stuff goes up fron of course.
Also, note that some amps send the reverb thru the loop, this means that if your amp does, it will be sending it's reverb into (say for example) your phaser ... so your reverb will have a *swooshy* tail to it, chorus works well here though. That's about all I can think of at the moment.
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