Hy-Bro 2015 p'up: Tone-Footprint Factor proposals

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LtKojak

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This is what we have:
* No clean slate. The concept of an Hybrid neck companion for the '59/Custom stays and goes forward. This means the p'up will be made with two coils wound with two different wire gauges and insulation types (AWG#42 Plain Enamel and AWG#43 SPN aka Single Poly Nylon)
* No Form Factor preferences, so whatever the Custom Shop decides to come up with can not be challenged.
* Two concepts for for development has being presented:
* the Pearly Gates screw coil/Perpetual Burn slug coil concept, gently offered by Frank Falbo, and an
* underwound version of the 59/Custom

WE can decide by voting a voicing:
* LtKojak proposal:
"In the lows you should be clearly hearing the "sound of the wood", just without the big "thunk" present on the '59n; plenty of definiton on the mids, with a sharp but not overbearing pick attack a la Jazz neck, with plenty of "air" and "chime" when the presence control on the amp is engaged. With this voicing, just by using the tone control you can play modern Jazz without losing articulation or definition with complex chords, rolling the tone control down, and at the same time to cut through the mix with soaring leads or complex riffing with a fair amount of gain, never losing he required definion and/or articulation with the tone control full-up.

This should give kinda "universal appeal", as you can play just about any kind of music with'em, just by tweakings magnets. I can imagine this neck p'up will sound great with A2, A3, A4 and a short A5, depending on musical context."

*** Past Tone description proposal:
"The hybrid concept is based on getting a good hybrid pickup in the neck position to pair with the 59/Custom. It will be made as a original set, the voicing starts with the 59/Custom but will have more upper mid focus, more controlled bass, cleaner, clearer. It will still have the hybrid complexity. Whether it will be made with 2 different wire gauges, or just have mismatched coils is yet to be determined. "

*** Last Resort Proposal:
"Let the Custom Shop decide everything having the sole instruction of make a NECK version of the '59/Custom and offer'em as a set"

That's everything in a nutshell... if I am missing something?

If I don't further piss anybody else off, I'll be putting the proposals for the voting tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay, but life got in the way and I've been preparing for tomorrow: I'll be mediating in the auditing of twelve members of our sales team unjustly blamed for the outcome of a series of bad decisions taken by the suits.

Wish me luck! :fingersx:
 
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Oh, you're having a fun week... Good luck...
 
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I say go with what we got, this one ""The hybrid concept is based on getting a good hybrid pickup in the neck position to pair with the 59/Custom. It will be made as a original set, the voicing starts with the 59/Custom but will have more upper mid focus, more controlled bass, cleaner, clearer. It will still have the hybrid complexity. Whether it will be made with 2 different wire gauges, or just have mismatched coils is yet to be determined."

Though I might add more emphasis that its to be specifically a neck 59/C
 
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You guys are aware that the brobucker is "slightly" mismatched... and the tone you are talking about sorta fits your descriptions, right? Not remembering the particular numbers, I have just measured mine inside the guitar, 4.82K screw coil and 5.16K slug coil (which sounds phenomenal split for tele kinda tones) with #42 PE wire... (FYI my meter is no junk...)

Frankly speaking, I don't like the 59/C hybrid, I did not like it the first time I did one way back more than 10 years ago. I think a brobucker, sounds much better. Nevertheless, I'll keep lurking because MJ's specs for what you guys are describing, can turn out to be quite similar with those of a Brobucker... Then I'd pull the trigger for sure... That is, I am especially interested in the bridge. The neck is ok, but I love my a4 7.50K 59n and a3 7.95K PGb (that I use in the neck) ...

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Send the Custom Shop this:

"Please make a '59/Custom Hybrid neck pickup."

That's it. Done.

We should already have these in our guitars.
 
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I'm skeptical of the idea that you can ask for a specific tone or voicing. I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of pickups were the result of trial and error and not a targeted voice. The whole idea of the '59/Custom came about from building upon trial and error, mixing and matching coils. It's all too subjective anyway, you can ask for a "woody" pickup, I could give you anything and call it "woody", and who's to say who's right and who's wrong?

Beside, I think specifying a tone seriously undermines the concept of a '59/Custom neck since you're steering it towards somewhere in particular and not letting the chips fall where they may. You're not really making a neck '59/Custom, you're just making a new neck pickup with an identity of it's own at that point.
 
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Trial and error is how you get to say you know what you're doing. Don't know what an A8 mag does? Try it. Do that often enough, and you have something regarded as experience.


(Wow, am I undercaffeinated or what?!)
 
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Trial and error is how get to say you know what you'rd doing. Don't know what an A8 mag does? Try it. Do that often enough, and you have something regarded as experience.

holy crap!?!?!?!!! some one understands!! :D
 
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Trial and error is how get to say you know what you're doing. Don't know what an A8 mag does? Try it. Do that often enough, and you have something regarded as experience.

Amen Brother!


Send the Custom Shop this:

"Please make a '59/Custom Hybrid neck pickup."

That's it. Done.

We should already have these in our guitars.

Perfect! I agree it really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

Let's get this 2015 forum pickup out of the way ASAP...2016 is right around the corner ;)

P.S.- I say we "Go Big in '16" and let LtKojak spearhead a completely new design for next year!
 
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I'm all for the idea of making a neck version of the '59/C, in hopes that it ultimately leads to a neck version of the Custom becoming available.
 
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P.S.- I say we "Go Big in '16" and let LtKojak spearhead a completely new design for next year!

Is it too early to vote for the next person to spearhead a design for 2016. Get 5 or 6 forum names and put a vote to that and hopefully we will have the right polls to make this a quick and painless endeavor for 2016. This may save time and effort having the right person for the right job at hand. I'd nominate either Masta'c or XXSIVE to run this next time. They know pickups and they have a no nonsense style that would get this done lickety-split.
 
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Is it too early to vote for the next person to spearhead a design for 2016. Get 5 or 6 forum names and put a vote to that and hopefully we will have the right polls to make this a quick and painless endeavor for 2016. This may save time and effort having the right person for the right job at hand. I'd nominate either Masta'c or XXSIVE to run this next time. They know pickups and they have a no nonsense style that would get this done lickety-split.

I would like to see a 2016 Forum pickup as a SET using the most successful forum pickup as the start in the Brobucker. Do a forum specific second run and then let the CS build a neck companion for it and sell the set.
That is AFTER we get the companion to the 59 Custom in a neck.
BOTH those sets IMO would be hugely marketable and we could credit the forum as the driver of the concept when the production sets were introduced.
 
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I'm skeptical of the idea that you can ask for a specific tone or voicing.
That's because you've never been in contact with boutique winders. You have no idea what they're capable of, as they don't have the burden of having a production cost analisys, only their own time for R&D and the actual winding. Is in this arena that the small beats the big.

Just have a look at the work done by Jason Lollar, for instance. He surely rivals Seymour in the area of "one-offs".

HTH,
 
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Amen Brother!




Perfect! I agree it really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

Let's get this 2015 forum pickup out of the way ASAP...2016 is right around the corner ;)

P.S.- I say we "Go Big in '16" and let LtKojak spearhead a completely new design for next year!

Absolutely. Celebrate 40 years of the company by showing off a completely new design for a pickup.
 
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@Pepe, I could be wrong but your description sounds a lot like a more refined version of the previous one, except the original one calls for a new SET, i.e not only a neck pickup but a NEW dedicated bridge in a calibrated set.

About the "Take coil A from PU X and coil B from PU Y", we NEVER agreed to that! In fact when that idea was first brought forward it was shot down FAST.
The whole point was for it to be a from-scratch pickup. We also never agreed for it to be a dedicated set to the 59/Custom. We said a match in the same way the Jazz matches the JB.
If it goes back in, it'll be for giving people a 2nd chance to change their minds about it.

Concerning Frank Falbo's idea, I love it, but again, we never touched upon it and I am not sure how open the people here would be. You could definitely throw it in the hat though and see how it goes.

BTW, "This means the p'up will be made with two coils wound with two different wire gauges and insulation types (AWG#42 Plain Enamel and AWG#43 SPN aka Single Poly Nylon), I know I'm repeating myself but, it'd be better not to hammer it down THAT specifically. Just say "mismatched coils" or "with a hybrid's character" or sth and let the CS decide on the how.
 
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