I can't understand not floating a strat bridge

millsart

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I was in the shop today and a kid comes in with a new standard strat he must of just bought for a setup. Techs asking him what he wants done and he says he wants the bridge lowered flush with the body for more tone/sustain and that he doesn't use the bar.

Okay well first off I fully belive that everyone has the right to setup their guitars however they want.

Second I applaud the kid for knowing what he wants and telling the tech. I've said that tons of times before. Even the best tech in the world can't set up your guitar correctly if you can't let them know what you want.

Third, obviously if your changing tunings frequenty then a floating bridge will drive you crazy, but how many people really change tunings that often ?


So that brings me back to the point of this thread. I just don't see why people do it.

In my opinion it really ruins the strat sound. Even if you don't use the bar, I think it still makes sense to float the bridge for several reasons.

Strats were not designed to be hardtails. Nothing wrong with a hardtail but a strat should be a strat. Just like having a Harley and not having a V Twin. Theres some excellent inline 4's out there but putting one in a Harley would sort of kill the Harleyness, know what I mean ?

The strat tone is not just from a 25.5" bolt on neck, alder body and low output single coils, but its also very much from the bridge and toneblock and the resounance they achieve. Its how Leo meant it to sound.

Additionally even though its very subtle, its what gives a strat that "shimmer". You lose that when you drop the bridge down flush and/or block the trem. That micro vibrato on the pick attack you just dont get with a hardtail.

On most strats I've seen/played/worked on, you also really mess up your break angle and have to set your saddles absurdly high keep a decent action if you but the bridge down flat. Even with the saddle screws extended as far as you can you might still have to low of action not to mention such a steep break angle. It depends on the neck pocket to some degree but on some guitars you can't even do it. or you have to compromise the rest of the setup just to make the bridge flush.

I've never found any difference in sustain either. A properly setup floating bridge sustains just fine to my ears.

Even more so, I've set mine up flush before and it sounded dead. Put it back up off the body and it came alive. Much better resounace and just a much move alive strat tone.

Blocking the bridge doesnt hurt much. I've but some little wood shims in before to do that though I persoanlly like little upbends on chords to give a cool little shimmer

Seriously though, if you've got your bridge screwed down flush the body, try raising it up. They just aren't meant to be tightened down like that.


Thats my $.02 in a world where the penny is obsolete :headbang:
 
Re: I can't understand not floating a strat bridge

I used to have mine blocked, and it only helped with tuning stability...After I floated it again, that got a bit tricky, but it's not bad. I don't use my bar, but love to have the ability to "wave" a note or the last chord of a song with the heel of my hand on the bridge, and I think the vibrato you can get with the floating bridge sometimes rivals finger vibrato on those tight bends, a al Robin Trower...IMO there is no finer example of bridge vibrato than his.
 
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I've got five springs on my strat trem and it sits flush with the body, but I only use it for chord vibrato type stuff. For me, having my trem floating even a little bit is stupid because I like to anchor my right hand on the bridge and that just creates a problem with a floating strat trem that is infamous for going outta tune.
 
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i have a highweay 1 strat, and i have the bridge flush agains tthe body. and i have tichtened the screwsa tthe back slightly so if you bend the bottom 2 strings you can see a bit of movement but not ALOT.

this is because i dont use the tremolo as a tremolo AT ALL and i only have it about a milimeter away from the body to get a 'wavering' tone as you put it. and IMO gives it a slightly more pronounced vibrato, at least it did to mky ears.

i see the point in people doing it and i cna see i would rather have a bridge flush against the body and tight than to ahve a bridge that is a few milimetres odff the body. as im not a tremolo user and didnt chose to have a tremolo bridge.

BUT, i can see your opinion and that thats how Leo originally intended the tremolo to be.

so really, you'll feel differently about tremolosd if you use it or not and what sound your after. some people may just prefer a tremolo to basically be so tight its a hardtail.

its a matter of opinion 100%
 
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I can't understand somebody writing a 16-paragraph post about things other people do to their guitars that they don't...especially after introducing it with a line like "Okay well first off I fully belive that everyone has the right to setup their guitars however they want." If you really believed that, why even start this thread?

Leo designed his guitars to be cheap. He didn't have any tone or sound in mind, he had low prices in mind. The tremelo was just a feature that some artists said they would use...designing a way to 'disable' it for those of us that don't use it was a really great idea.

I hate when people say "This is how a Strat SHOULD sound" or "This is how a Les Paul SHOULD sound"...there's no such thing as SHOULD. There's only how it DOES sound.

And my Strat sounds great with the screws tightened down and a humbucker in the bridge.
 
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I have the bridge on my strat all the way down, five springs loaded and claw screwed all the way down. I don't want the bridge to move. I change between standard and drop d too often for a floating bridge on my strat. I have a floyd guitar for when I need flutter. I also like that when the bridge is down all the way it stops nightmares from happening when a string is broken during a song.
 
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There are really a few parameters more.

First, you don't have to go down to the deck with the whole bridge to get stability and possibly more sustain. You can use one of the Rockinger what-was-the-name blocks that you screw into the back cavity and that your tremolo leans against (adjustable position). That way you keep your high bridge but it is still locked in one direction.

Second, just because you lock it in one direction by either going down to the body or by using a blocker in the rear cavity, you don't know how much it is blocked in the other direction. Only if you use very strong springs you effectively have a full lockdown. There are certainly settings where the whole thing wobbles on attack (as said above) but it is still locked to one side and slightly to the other so that you can tune like you tune a fixed bridge.
 
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I can't understand somebody writing a 16-paragraph post about things other people do to their guitars that they don't...especially after introducing it with a line like "Okay well first off I fully belive that everyone has the right to setup their guitars however they want." If you really believed that, why even start this thread?

Leo designed his guitars to be cheap. He didn't have any tone or sound in mind, he had low prices in mind. The tremelo was just a feature that some artists said they would use...designing a way to 'disable' it for those of us that don't use it was a really great idea.

I hate when people say "This is how a Strat SHOULD sound" or "This is how a Les Paul SHOULD sound"...there's no such thing as SHOULD. There's only how it DOES sound.

And my Strat sounds great with the screws tightened down and a humbucker in the bridge.



Well another thing I dont understand is why when I'm simply trying to have some debate about my preferences and why I belive what I do, and when I make it clearly known that while my opinions are mine, I'm not disprecting anyone elses, you have to be an asshole ??? Really can't understand that one.......

I guess I don't have the right to voice MY viewpoints on a matter ?

I can write how ever many **** paragraphs I want and you don't have to read a single one but you did, and not only that you responded even. Nothing like taking the time to post to tell someone else how you think its stupid they took the time to write a post
 
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My bridge is flush. It so happens that I like playing double stop bends without my guitar going out of tune. Sitting the bridge flush has never killed the strat vibe for me.
 
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The strat tone is not just from a 25.5" bolt on neck, alder body and low output single coils, but its also very much from the bridge and toneblock and the resounance they achieve. Its how Leo meant it to sound.

Leo didn't play guitar, and he didn't design them for tone. His genius was for finding new ways to lower production costs, which is why the other manufacturers of the 1950's were horrified at the lowpoints he set in the luthier's craft. Leo's high school shop project "planks", with bolt-on necks, skinny little SC's, oversize pickguards, etc. have since come to be loved my many players, but the fact remains that many of Fender's 'features' were motivated by cost, not tone quality.
 
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...you can do it to get more range in downbend.

But I think a lot of people do it for stupid reasons.
 
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Well another thing I dont understand is why when I'm simply trying to have some debate about my preferences and why I belive what I do, and when I make it clearly known that while my opinions are mine, I'm not disprecting anyone elses, you have to be an asshole ??? Really can't understand that one.......

I guess I don't have the right to voice MY viewpoints on a matter ?

I can write how ever many **** paragraphs I want and you don't have to read a single one but you did, and not only that you responded even. Nothing like taking the time to post to tell someone else how you think its stupid they took the time to write a post

so i'm an asshole for not understanding something somebody else does...so what does that make you, buddy?

i was just voicing my viewpoint on the subject at hand. don't take it personally guy.
 
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I keep mine about a milimeter of the body. It gives it a spongier feel. I keep the bar in a drawer in my nightstand, but when I want to mess with vibrato effects, I just grab the bridge with my fingers or bounce it lightly with the heel of my hand.
 
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When I bought my strat I though that is how it had to be (floating). And I hated not being able to drop D without having to re-tune every string. Behold the SDUGF led me to the flush deal. I now love my strat again. The tone and sustain increased and I hardly ever have to tune it. Thx again guys. Ill never have a floating bridge of any kind.
 
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I did the same thing that a few others have done: added two more springs, tightened the claw, and tightened the bridge down. I noticed a definite improvement in the harmonic richness of the tone. Subtle, but there.
 
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Strats were not designed to be hardtails. Nothing wrong with a hardtail but a strat should be a strat.

Original Strat trems (Vintage trems, you know, the ones with six screws in the body) are not floating. ;)

The two-point fulcrum Strat trem is made to float, but I find them not to be all that great for staying in tune. Sure, they can work with a little setup, but they're not going to be that great for a lot of whammy abuse like a Floyd, so that's why a lot of people either block it or rest it on the body.

And my hardtail Strat rules!
 
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There's certainly no right way to do it. Everyone has a preference, though.

I have my Highway with a VSVG set up so there is a small amount of more tension in the springs than the strings. This keeps the bridge flush with the body but it's not held down very tight, so tremolo action is actually very effortless, and even steep bends or multiple string bends can begin to pull the tremolo up. IMO, "perfect" set up on a strat is when the "zero" point (when the string tension equals spring tension) of the bridge is right at the flush point. Best of both worlds, IMO. It's all a matter of preference. I don't expect anyone to understand that, just accept that after trying several different set ups that is what my ears and hands have told me.

Just because a player locks his bridge down and throws away the tremolo bar doesn't mean he should be playing a hardtail. There's still a big tonal difference between the bridges, as without the trem block and the springs, a hardtail and a blocked 6 screw will never sound anything alike. Clapton is probably the most notable example of this.

FTR, all of my references are to the 6 screw vintage tremolo. Two posts are completely different animals.
 
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The primary reason why someone will choose to mount the bridge flush is for tuning stability. When the bridge is floating, the combined tension of all 6 strings keeps the bridge anchored at its "home" positon. If you break a string, the whole guitar will go out of tune and you are dead in the water. Whn the bridge is mounted flush against the body the body is keeping the bridge stable. The only drawback is you can't pull up on the bar. No biggie for me. I have 4 Strats and they are all setup resting on the body. Some have 4 springs and some have 3. This gives me som options as to how much tension is necessary to use the whammy.
 
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I block mine on all of my Strats.

Sounds better...more solid.

If the trem floats, it'll pull forward when I bend a note with my fingers which means the string needs to be bent even further across the fingerboard to compensate.

Also, I can't play pedal steel licks by holding two notes and bending only a third note if the the trem is floating because the two notes I want to stay in tune will go flat.

For example, if the band is playing a E major chord, and I held an E & B at the 12th fret of the high E & B string, and on the G string at the 11th fret I wanted to bend a F# up to a G# to complete the triad and get a little of a pedal steel type sound, I couldn't do it: the E & B would go flat.

So I block the trem and screw it down flat to to the top of the Strat.



Lew
 
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