I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

With no-load vs regular pot I’ve noticed my Strat sound brighter with the no-load. I’ve never tried my Strat with no cap or tone at all however. I had an esquire switch in my Tele and definitely noticed a difference when the tone was out of circuit. It depend on the amp and settings and volume level whether you can hear it. But I would agree with GDoc no one else would notice. But I do it for me so I feel and play better based on what I’m hearing.
 
Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

I used to think that too. Until I wired up my old 80's JB in a strat with just a 500K volume (was in an 80s frame of mind, so wired it up that way; which was typical for a lot of those 80s guys with the one knob guitars).

Sounds awesome without the tone pot:


And this has relevance to what exactly?
 
Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

With no-load vs regular pot I’ve noticed my Strat sound brighter with the no-load. I’ve never tried my Strat with no cap or tone at all however. I had an esquire switch in my Tele and definitely noticed a difference when the tone was out of circuit. It depend on the amp and settings and volume level whether you can hear it. But I would agree with GDoc no one else would notice. But I do it for me so I feel and play better based on what I’m hearing.

I think that was the relevant statement.

After all the time it took to replace your pot, there is no way your ears could have made an accurate comparison. Your mind certainly did, however. There is nothing wrong with that if it makes you "feel and play better" (based on what you think/assume you are hearing).
 
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Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

OP: I have no idea but I guess don't really. I've bypassed the tone pot on all but one of my HxH pickup guitars and I still live a happy life. I like the extra 2% bite and from the first second of playing I greatly disliked if the tone pot moved even a littlebit up from zero.
 
I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

I think that was the relevant statement.

After all the time it took to replace your pot, there is no way your ears could have made an accurate comparison. Your mind certainly did, however. There is nothing wrong with that if it makes you "feel and play better" (based on what you think/assume you are hearing).

I don’t think you can declare there’s no way anyone else can hear a frequency just because you don’t. There have been studies that show on average people of high school age can hear frequencies that people over 50 cannot.

For me, I owned and operated a recording studio for the better part of a decade, producing recordings. Through all those experiences, mentored by producers from other larger and sometimes well-known studios, I developed the skill to differentiate frequencies in sound pretty well. Even chasing a particular sound with guitars and wiring, things that do make a difference I can hear (e.g. cap values I can hear the difference, while cap types make no difference.) When I finally achieve a sound I was chasing, I can detect it. It might not be a big difference, but sometimes that last 1-3% of difference in the sound is precisely what I was chasing, and when I achieve it, I can tell. Part of the reason is last 1-3% of difference is what most of the years in the studio was spent on, because that is the job.

If it didn’t make a difference, I would be on here reporting my disappointment, like in the case of cap types. I chased that and cap type didn’t make a difference, though the actual values did. If you’re leaking any amount of signal to ground through resistors and caps, it’s detectable to the ear. Whether a particular person can hear it will vary. But I can hear it.

And by the way, I didn’t rewire everything and check separately after time passed. I typically make test rigs and switch the elements in real time before deciding how to wire it. I think you made too many assumptions there based on your experience, but not mine.
 
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Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

I don’t think you can declare there’s no way anyone else can hear a frequency just because you don’t.

Actually, I never said that!!!! Never even hinted that! Read my post (#19) again and see that I admitted to some upper hearing loss.

I think you made too many assumptions there based on your experience, but not mine.

You're right and wrong. I DID make the assumption that you listened, replaced/removed the pot. listened again. Sorry for that incorrect assumption.
But I didn't make it based upon my experience and not yours. My experience is immediately switching back and forth from pot in circuit to pot removed from circuit via a switch (just like you said was your experience)!

I guess we both stand to be corrected.
 
Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

And this has relevance to what exactly?

Your statement that "Having a guitar without a tone pot is like having a car without a transmission".

Pickups don't absolutely have to have a tone pot... some work very well without.
 
Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

I have my strat wired up so that you can switch the tone pot in or out of the circuit for both the middle pickup and the bridge pickup. It's a tiny bit brighter and a tiny bit louder without the tone pot. Not a huge difference, but certainly audible.
 
Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

I have my strat wired up so that you can switch the tone pot in or out of the circuit for both the middle pickup and the bridge pickup. It's a tiny bit brighter and a tiny bit louder without the tone pot. Not a huge difference, but certainly audible.

Ditto on my guitar: toggle switch eliminates tone pot. Definite difference. Will an audience member notice? They might, but it would be the slightly brighter/harsher quality rather than the overall sound.

BUT the original post was about the CAP, not the pot. I have no idea if the presence or absence of the cap itself makes a difference, as opposed to the POT. I assume the pot adds something all on its own?
 
Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

^ Most often the cap is the only thing that makes the pot grounded, or in Gibson it connects the whole tone circuit to the volume. So without the cap the tone circuit is no load.

Otherwise you have to wire it up like a volume pot to get the pot in there.
 
Re: I don't really need to wire in a tone capacitor do I?

Without the capacitor, you don't have a tone control. There is no point in leaving just the capacitor off. Either leave it as stock and simply never use it (as you already do), or just remove the tone control entirely. IMO, there isn't any benefit to removing it, unless you need to use the hole it occupied for something else. I say that unless you need to spot for another control, just ignore it, like 90 percent of people have done throughout the history of electric guitardom.
 
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