I freakin love the P-Rails

jimijames

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So I just spent the last 2 1/2 hours playing my project jazzmaster (with a strat bridge), and the 2 1/2 hours before that I spent installing a pair of P-Rails in Cream.

It's still the honeymoon phase, I know, but...

Lord Have Mercy!

To start off, my project jazzmaster has a jazzmaster body (alder) with a USACG maple neck (with rosewood fretboard), and I'm playing through a 50w plexi clone. I wired it for a master volume and a master tone, 50's style wiring, and two push-pulls to get every available sound out of these bad boys. So here's the review:

Series - In series, these have incredible detail and warmth, and are very open and dynamic - they don't behave anything like what they're DC resistance would suggest. They also have a very sweet singing sound when both are on, and the bridge can rock with the best of 'em. This is by far the smoothest setting, and I'm glad I went with 500k all around here b/c while it's not quite as dark as my les paul, it's close.

Parallel - The best way I can describe this would be like a high-fi PAF sound. It's warm like a PAF, but with better definition and a wide-range frequency response. There's some great stringy-ness here, and it has more chime and is less smooth than series. Switching between series and parallel is like switching between a vintage-hot A2 pickup and a vintage output A5 pickup with a more balanced frequency response than I'm used to in low-output A5 pickups

P-90 - Here is where these pickups really shine. While the series and parallel modes are great, this mode is the bee's knees, so to speak. Lows are taught and piano-like, high notes are sweet and thick but have great definition. Chords are almost 3-dimensional and the attack is what you want it to be. Dig in, and it sounds pissed off and snarly. Ease off, and it sounds like a piano in a concert hall. I would buy the p-rails again just for this mode.

Rails - In my opinion, the least authentic/weakest of the 4 sounds, but great nonetheless. The middle position and the bridge are the best here, the neck doesn't have that magical harmonic activity, and I think it's mostly because it isn't underneath the 2nd octave harmonic node. It sounds like the middle position on a strat, a sound that some may like but that I personally find uninspiring. The middle position has some good quack to it, but it's much more subtle than on an actual stratocaster. The bridge is my favorite of the rails settings, it's meaty and stringy and really puts a microscope on your playing. It sounds the closest to a strat of all the rails positions.

It's hard to describe the character these pickups have - it's like someone took the soul of a p-90 and added some characteristics of all of my favorite SD humbuckers: It has some of the 'chew' I hear in the 78, has some of the singing qualities of the Custom Custom with strong bass similar to a 59/custom and harmonic activity I have only heard in single coils.

Playing these made me giddy with anticipation for what's going in my strat: 2 forum singles and a p-rails bridge. Delicious. I can see now why people rave about p-90's - they sound like the player, only better. It's like someone flipped on an attitude switch and ran swagger.exe in my head.

edit/addendum: If you haven't tried these yet, do yourself a favor and test drive a pair. Seymour Duncan has hit a home run with these IMHO.
 
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Awesome. Thanks for the review, jimijames, it's good to hear you're enjoying them so much.

I'm planning to put a forum single between two P-Rails, in an alder bodied guitar that'll be a cross between a JM and a Strat, so your review is very pertinent. I'll have the rails on the outside so hopefully I'll get closer to the typical strat sounds with them. Have you tried flipping the P-Rails around?

Looking forward to hearing how your Strat turns out. I like the P-Rail + 2 Strat90's idea.
 
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Awesome. Thanks for the review, jimijames, it's good to hear you're enjoying them so much.

I'm planning to put a forum single between two P-Rails, in an alder bodied guitar that'll be a cross between a JM and a Strat, so your review is very pertinent. I'll have the rails on the outside so hopefully I'll get closer to the typical strat sounds with them. Have you tried flipping the P-Rails around?

Looking forward to hearing how your Strat turns out. I like the P-Rail + 2 Strat90's idea.

I haven't tried flipping them around yet, but I already have a strat for those magical strat neck tones, so I don't mind compromising that one setting on this guitar. Plus, the neck p-90, parallel, and series sounds are so good I have a hard time deciding between them, so I don't feel as though I'm at a loss at any rate.

What sucks is that I like each mode of the P-rails so much I've been racking my brain on how to get all the sounds out of the setup that I'm putting in my strat. I finally figured something out a while ago, but I still need to figure out how to wire it (as in I'm going to post a thread asking someone to help me with it when the pickups arrive). But if this JM is any indication, it will be more than worth the effort.

I just got a chance to play these at full volume today in my attic, and they sound even better at full tilt! While I couldn't hear the quack as well at lower volumes, it definitely is there in spades once you crank up. I was trying to think of an adjective to describe the character of the P-rails, and I think I found one: Juicy. They're juicy and chewy and full bodied and even and sweet and sassy, all at the same time.

Fikealox, I was in your situation too until the fat man brought me these little bundles of joy. Sorry for creating GAS man, I'm just estatic that my project guitar is finally done.
 
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I just recived a P-Rail and want to do a non standard hook up. I have looked at the diagrams provided and it does not have the set up I would like to do listed. I would like to, instead of useing a push pull pot, use a Les Paul-like spdt switch to select rail, p-90, or both. Then I will send the output of that switch to my pickup selector. I think that the way to do this would be to wire the red and black to the terminals on the Les Paul switch, wire the center termainal to my pick up selector and the green, whate and bare wires to the ground/volume pot.

Would this work? If so will the black give me P90 and Red Rail or vice versa?

Thanks
 
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Eh... just what exactly is a forum single?

Good to hear, I expect to slap a p-rail on a home made/ cheap bought tele soon
 
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Fikealox, I was in your situation too until the fat man brought me these little bundles of joy. Sorry for creating GAS man, I'm just estatic that my project guitar is finally done.

Hehe, don't apologise! I really enjoyed reading your review, and I perversely enjoy having GAS :) I'm just despairing at the state of the Australian economy - the moment I start lusting for Duncans again I realise they cost over double what they did at the start of the year :(
 
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I just received a P-Rail and want to do a non standard hook up. I have looked at the diagrams provided and it does not have the set up I would like to do listed. I would like to, instead of using a push pull pot, use a Les Paul-like spdt switch to select rail, p-90, or both. Then I will send the output of that switch to my pickup selector. I think that the way to do this would be to wire the red and black to the terminals on the Les Paul switch, wire the center terminal to my pick up selector and the green, what and bare wires to the ground/volume pot.

Would this work? If so will the black give me P90 and Red Rail or vice versa?

Thanks

So you want to wire it like two separate pickups for the switch? I only have a rudimentary understanding of guitar electronics, but if you did that, I'm pretty sure the coils would be in parallel when you had them both on. It's not as hot as series, and is great if you want more of a PAF flavor than what series offers.

As for how to set it up, I'd recommend that you start a thread about this, it's not very likely that one of the forum wiring gurus will be able to help you out if your question is hidden in another thread...

Sorry, I wish I could help you out more, but the wiring diagram I used came directly from the SD site.
 
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i acturaly messed around a bit and figured it out... I think i will make a thread after i finnish the whole project just to show off and explain to people like my self some of the non standard things I am doing.
 
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Great review !

I like the description of cleans...."sounds like a piano in a concert hall "

Gotta agree with you about P90's....they've got sustain, life, musicality, smoothness, grind, sweetness and soul - with a capital S !

Now if someone like Slash or his brothers Slosh and Slush were to start using P90's, overnight they would become "the new thing" and people would be clamoring to buy them.

If only SD would release a real P90 sounding humbucker cased P90.

Enjoy !
 
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Ok, a slight update -

So I started messing with the gauss of the p-rails with my little 1/2" neo magnet yesterday, and I gotta say, if you don't like the rails settings on the p-rails, then you've gotta try degaussing it some. After a couple of passes, the rails went from sounding kinda dry to sounding almost exactly like the surfers I pulled out of my strat, In addition, the top end got sweeter and smoother but kept it's bite, and the bass became much less prominent in the series sound, but in a good way - it becomes much more defined and balanced when compared with the other frequencies.

If you like the p-rails, do yourself and favor and get a 1/2" neo magnet and degauss them some - they go from amazing to "holy god is that me playing?" with a few passes.

God I love the p-rails. I can say that the guitar they're in will never know another set of pickups. In fact, I may start putting them in my other guitars too...
 
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Sorry for my lack of knowledge, be would one be able to re-gauss a pickup? I don't know much about the topic so I'm a little hesitant :)
 
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THIS IS POST-HONEYMOON P-RAILS, FORUM SINGLES IMPRESSIONS ARE NEXT POST
So I'm kinda resurrecting this thread from the dead because... I just got back from Europe and I have had the opportunity to mess around with the settings and everything - In addition, I got my strat with forum singles wired up (thanks Hermetico and MikeS!) and I have some more to add to my initial review.

First, about the jazzmaster with P-rails:

I've begun to notice that the series mode has a lot of the p-90 sound going on in it. It's got some schwack that you normally get from the in-between positions on a strat, but with more p-90 attitude and grit. It's a very mid-rangey sound, and it quite reminds me of the Hybrid I had in the bridge of my strat (it's closest to a EVH/Custom Custom if you were to make one), but again with noticable p-90 flavor. The high end isn't as strong in this setting, hence I usually run my tone control on '10' for this.

Parallel - This, oddly enough, seems to have more rails influence than p-90. With my tone on 10, it's very bright, and the high end is quite sharp to be honest. I usually roll my tone control down to 7 or so with this just to take some of the edge off. With the tone control rolled down, it's very PAF - I belted out crossroads at 3/4 volume on my plexi clone, and the result was uncanny. The neck in parallel is piano-esque, and the bridge is like a very underwound A5 PAF - think T-top. Clean, it's really something - Dirty, however, there's too much treble information and it gets too sizzle-y unless you roll down the tone control.

When I said P-90 was the M.O. of this pickup in my previous review, I wasn't kidding. This setting is completely useable throughout the range of the tone knob. At full bore, its rude and spunky, and as you back off, it gets mellow and jazzy. Even on 2 or 3 on the tone knob it doesn't loose a whole lot of definition (I went with a .22 capacitor on this one so that may have something to do with it), it just gets darker without the 'blanket' sound that most pickups get below 5 on the tone knob. Both pickups are very touch sensitive, and the middle position is loads of fun - a very wide-range p-90 sound with just a hint of quack. Still my favorite setting, but it is getting less use as I'm learning how to use the other settings real proper like.

Originally, I thought the rails position was a bit of an afterthought in the P-rails, however, I'm beginning to change my mind about them. While the neck position doesn't have the harmonic activity of a strat's neck position, it is still useful nonetheless - think of it as more of a middle position on the strat. I can get great clean tones, and the sound is balanced and very stratty. The bridge is becoming one of my favorite settings on this guitar - it reminds me a lot of a telecaster's bridge pickup, very twangy on the low strings, and great bite on the high strings, without being sharp in the same way parallel is (oddly enough). Under distortion, its very dynamic and lively - its a real blast to belt out country and blues licks in this setting.

Okay, with that out of the way, on to the strat -

First of all, while I was gone, it appears as though the magnet underneath the screws on the middle pickup have gone wonky. In addition, I broke the push-pull I ordered from Wymore guitars (d'oh!) so a replacement is in the mail. I did, however, get a good 3 hours of playing time in on it, so I'm going to give my inital impressions: (cont'd)
 
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IF YOU JUST WANT TO READ ABOUT THE FORUM SINGLES/P-RAILS CONFIGURATION, IT STARTS HERE

So... I really really like the forum singles. In the neck, P-90 mode is almost identical to the p-90 sound in my jazzmaster, but brighter (this may have to do with the maple board on the strat). Very lively with loads of attitude, and responds quite well to changes in the tone control. In single mode, I actually like these better than the surfers I used to have in the guitar. These seem to have more midrange and are a little less sharp on the top end - it may be related to their mid-7k ohm range as opposed to the surfers I got (which were at 6.22 and 6.19k for the neck and bridge, respectively). They both have killer definition on the low strings, which is very characteristic of a strat, even in p-90 mode. Their output is about the same as the p-90 in the p-rails output - I wouldn't call these high-output pickups despite what the numbers may say. They sound great with or without distortion, and its easy to coax different shades with just a touch. Overall, there isn't a doubt in my mind that I'm going to dig these once I get everything squared away.

Three guitars down (including my lester), one more to go (My Kramer - it's getting a 59/custom with A8 tomorrow when I can wire it up!)
 
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oh, and to answer MikeM - yes you can regauss a pickup quite easily, just put the north side of the disc to the south side of the bar and voila - back to full gauss
 
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****, now I have GAS. I have a one HB superstrat and I'm thinking about adding a neck HB to it. A p-rail would be sweet. What SD neck pup does the prail HB "mode" sound closest to? Oh and let me know how that 59'/custom A8 sounds like. I've dying to try a pg/custom A8.
 
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I just finished putting together an rg style guitar, with a wizard I neck, a 550 body, edge pro trem with tremol-no and a set of p-rails switched by 2 3way toggles, Kinman avn 69 in the middle and blender pot for the set. This is now an incredible tone machine! I have to admit, this is the clearest, most powerful and deep sound I've heard, short of a decked out PRS!
I do have to add that the rails are a whole lot better than expected, doing a deep, clean SRV that my strat's cool rails/JB Jr can't do!
With this guitar and my XTC, I can go from full raging bucker to strat, to Tele (blender does magic in this dept...), to a brighter, better Paul. Bridge rail blended 50% with neck p-90 yields a pretty notchy PRS-like snarl!...
As you can tell, it's honeymoon here as well... railing on the rails...LOL
 
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