I hate SWR.

The Golden Boy

Fleecy Sweaterologist
Last night I had a show and my SWR SM-900 went into thermal shutdown. Again.

The SM-900 was SWR's "flagship" model. It's very powerful, it's got plenty of headroom, a very controllable EQ, it's light, and it sounds awesome. It's a phenomenally great sounding amp. But it has a habit of "blowing up." It's not like I'm pushing it really hard (bass at 12:00, pre around 11:00, master vol at 9:00) and it's well within it's impedance range (an SWR 2x15 cab in bridged mode). I had issues when I first got the amp, little QC things like mystery screws rattling around in the chassis, improperly wired DI, bad fuse well, bad LED/cold solder joint... So I figured it was just another of it's quirks that needed to be fixed up. I had it in to the authorized tech's shop far too many times- what it came down to (for the overheating problem) is that the air isn't flowing like it should. It's mounted in an SKB rack, as it's designed to be used in a rack, and it would always overheat- sometimes blowing output fuses, sometimes just going into thermal shutdown. In any case, it was a $1200+ amp, and it was completely and totally unreliable.

The amp is designed to passively draw air in the back, force it through the heat sinks towards a grill on the side of the amp. That design doesn't take into account of being used in the confines of a rack case. The wall of the rack is less than an inch from the wall of the amp, and the rack entirely encloses the amp. What that means is that the hot air that is removed from the amp chassis gets recirculated into the amp because most of that hot air stays within the rack. Also keep in mind nothing actively forces or pulls air in or out of the amp chassis- there's a fan in the center of the amp that blows it TOWARDS the grill. As the hot air does go out the heat sinks- because the rack wall is so close there's resistance to the air exiting the chassis and a lot of the hot air doesn't make it out of the chassis and keeps getting heated again.

The tech suggested that I get a fan to either blow air into or remove air from the rack. So I got a fan from Radio Shack and mounted it onto the upper rack rail in the back. It removes the hot air that builds up in the rack. It's done well in the past 5 years or so. The amp has never overheated, blew a fuse or even run hot since then. I used the amp a lot, it was used several times a week for rehearsal, gigged every few weeks until last year. For the past year it sees use about once a week and gigged about once a month.

Last night in the middle of the set, probably an hour and a half in- it just stopped in the middle of a song. I still had power to my power supply, but the amp LEDs were off... As soon as I touched the rack handles I knew what had happened again. It was my first show with this band, and not only was I embarrassed, but absolutely livid that it would happen again. As awesome as this amp could be, I ****ing hate it.

The SWR SM-900. Notice the covered SWR logo- because of their 'awesome' "customer service" I refuse to leave those logos visible and do any sort of advertising for them:

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The "guts" of the amp- the long black rectangles are the heat sinks- the fan is just to the right of the heat sinks. The air should be drawn from the vent in the back (at the top of the pic) and then through the heat sinks towards the vent off to the left of the heat sinks. Yeah- That'll work.

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And here's the back of the rack, showing the fan I installed into the rack- it's noisy but until yesterday, it did a wonderful job of removing hot air from the rack and keeping the amp cool. Notice the packages of fuses taped to the wall of the rack- just in case.

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I don't care that SWR was bought out by Fender. I do hope the "customer service" assclown that handled my stuff lost his job. As long as this amp was working, I was happy enough to deal with it. Because I loved the sound of that amp I put up with the "duds" from that company, I put up with a jackass "customer service" rep, I found a workaround the design issues of the amp. And it's still ****ed.

Friends don't let friends use SWR.
 
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I should also note the EQ in the first picture is pretty close to how I was running it last night- I had both parametrics engaged and with a little less low end and a the low mids pulled back because I was using the Thunderbird- a bassy, low middy instrument.
 
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Holy crap, dude. That's really awful. So what's next? Just have to buy a new amp? A good excuse for new gear, but still that's a $1,200 kick in the pants. Oof!

And I was looking forward to hearing all the good things about the first gig. What song did it blow in the middle of?

- Keith
 
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what a nightmare. I say just get it fixed then sell it. Hope things work out
 
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My last bassist had that amp, and also had problems with it....luckily at rehearsal and not a show. He sold it and bought my favorite bass amp....an Eden World Tour 800. Anytime I've jammed with a bassist who had an Eden rig, the sound is always monsterous and they never fail.
 
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You should consider an Eden WT800(B) head..Best bass amp i've ever owned..I paired it with an 610XLT cab (1050 watts)...Tone and massive volume all in one.. (and very reliable)

Here's a pic of my rig:

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My last bassist had that amp, and also had problems with it....luckily at rehearsal and not a show. He sold it and bought my favorite bass amp....an Eden World Tour 800. Anytime I've jammed with a bassist who had an Eden rig, the sound is always monsterous and they never fail.

Sorry to disagree, but my bassist HAD an Eden, don't know which model- but it blew up TWICE, he fixed it one last time, and traded it for a Peavey bass head, which has given years of trouble free service.
 
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could you take the fan you have on the back of the rack and place it over the opening on the amp so that sucks the hot air out?
 
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Sorry to disagree, but my bassist HAD an Eden, don't know which model- but it blew up TWICE, he fixed it one last time, and traded it for a Peavey bass head, which has given years of trouble free service.

Kind of the punchline of Peavey gear....

I had a Mark IV that I could of sworn should of been dead a dozen times but never ceased to turn over and sound decent every bloody time I plugged it in.
 
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I like how SWR pre-heats the cooling air with the power transformer before pushing it through the heat sink.
 
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Kind of the punchline of Peavey gear....

I had a Mark IV that I could of sworn should of been dead a dozen times but never ceased to turn over and sound decent every bloody time I plugged it in.

Ain't that the truth. I went through a couple of bass amps that just kept breaking down, Gallien Kruger and an Ashdown, then picked up a Mark IV myself for next to nothing. Still kicks out the jams as good as it did in the 80s when it was built no doubt. Peavey build everything like a tank. They aint pretty but they sure get the job done for a working man.
 
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You could probably just stick the amp in a bigger rackmount case (leave a space above/below it with nothing in it . . . you could also jury rig some extra fans (those little computer cooling fans would probably work well) to push more air through the amp. Kind of a bummer though . . .
 
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Leaving a space above it might help, especially if you perforate the top cover plate with a bunch of holes in the space above the filter caps. That would allow the fan to pull more air from outside, rather than heated air from inside the chassis. But that PT is a BIG hunk o' hot iron with no ventilation of its own, that I can see. Heat from that transformer exits one way - through the fan and heat sink assembly. The layout of that amp is just fundamantally flawed; 10 pounds of **** in a 5-pound box.

I'd say run it with the cover off, but electrical safety says otherwise. Maybe replace the top cover with a piece of expanded metal grill?

Or, since it's not really "broken" (it works fine after it cools down, right?) sell it and replace it with a nice big-chassis Peavey.
 
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Ain't that the truth. I went through a couple of bass amps that just kept breaking down, Gallien Kruger and an Ashdown, then picked up a Mark IV myself for next to nothing. Still kicks out the jams as good as it did in the 80s when it was built no doubt. Peavey build everything like a tank. They aint pretty but they sure get the job done for a working man.

I've got a GK 800RB head that's a good workhorse of an amp. It's one of the older ones from the 80's. Nice and solid.

For the money though the Peavey's are just stupid priced and make a good backup if need be. For what I sold mine for (I know...I know...) it would of been a great backup.
 
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Sounds like it's time to look into a GK...

SWR was always trying to acheive a Gallien-Kruegerish tone anyway... still didn't come close.
 
Update!!!

Update!!!

So this evening after rehearsal (bass player for this project used one of my Seymour heads), I had a chance to open up the amp. Yeah. Well, the internal fan is working, but... A cap broke off of the right side of the power section. Me, not being an electronics 'jeanious' have no idea what was actually going on with the amp. When I tested it in stereo mode, the left channel worked, but the right didn't. I was running a 4 ohm load in bridged mode- so the amp was "seeing" 2 ohms- perfectly acceptable and within the amp's recommended impedance range. However, half the power section wasn't working- so the amp was working harder than if it were just pushing a 4 ohm load per side.

It shouldn't be a big fix, but still...
 
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My bass head for the better part of 5 years was a GK 800RB. Great head, but it's concept is dated and it doesn't have either the bottom end or the power of a "modern" bass head. You have a head rated at 400w, but it's meant to be a BiAmp head. It puts out 300w at 4 ohms in one channel and 100w @ 8 ohms in the other channel. Without seriously underpowering your cab or trying to push too much out of the one channel- it kind of means that 100w is useless, unless you're bi-amping.

I still have both of my Seymour Duncan heads, and I used those for 4 years or so. They're getting old and "saggy" now. They're from the same school of thought as the GK head, but with a better "all around" approach rather than focusing on Bi-Amping.

To say the SWR tries to do the GK thing and fails is not giving the SWR enough credit, sonically.
 
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