I have discovered the Epiphone Pickups have a lot of wax!!!

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And how do we know this?
Besides living in Qingdao, China on and off again, last time just ½ block away from Gibson / Epiphone’s Qingdao factory...

From Gibson’s web page… Check it out for your self!
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Epiphone/1959-Les-Paul-Standard.aspx

Hearing is Believing
To capture the work of all this classic tonewood, a pair of US-made BurstBucker™ pickups, the most accurate renditions of the original PAF that Gibson has ever made, translate all this warmth and woody resonance into a sweet, vocal electric tone, via high-quality electronics such as a Switchcraft™ toggle switch and Mallory 150™ tone capacitors.

Made just like the originals, with unpolished alnico II magnets and non-potted coils, these pickups include the unevenly wound coils that were a part of the magic of original PAFs, a result of the lack of automatic shutoffs on Gibson's winding machines in the late 1950s. Seth Lover, who invented the humbucker, always said they wound the bobbins "until they were full.”

When two coils in a pickup have a different number of turns, that variation puts a little "edge" or "bite" on the classic humbucker sound. That's the sound BurstBuckers replicate. The neck pickup is a Burstbucker-2 and is wound in the range of Gibson's '57 Classic. The bridge pickup is a Burstbucker-3 and is slightly over-wound with a hotter output that works well in combination with the BB-2 in the neck. One listen and you’ll think you have a 1959 in your hands!
 
Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Besides living in Qingdao, China on and off again, last time just ½ block away from Gibson / Epiphone’s Qingdao factory...

From Gibson’s web page… Check it out for your self!
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Epiphone/1959-Les-Paul-Standard.aspx

Hearing is Believing
To capture the work of all this classic tonewood, a pair of US-made BurstBucker™ pickups, the most accurate renditions of the original PAF that Gibson has ever made, translate all this warmth and woody resonance into a sweet, vocal electric tone, via high-quality electronics such as a Switchcraft™ toggle switch and Mallory 150™ tone capacitors.

Made just like the originals, with unpolished alnico II magnets and non-potted coils, these pickups include the unevenly wound coils that were a part of the magic of original PAFs, a result of the lack of automatic shutoffs on Gibson's winding machines in the late 1950s. Seth Lover, who invented the humbucker, always said they wound the bobbins "until they were full.”

When two coils in a pickup have a different number of turns, that variation puts a little "edge" or "bite" on the classic humbucker sound. That's the sound BurstBuckers replicate. The neck pickup is a Burstbucker-2 and is wound in the range of Gibson's '57 Classic. The bridge pickup is a Burstbucker-3 and is slightly over-wound with a hotter output that works well in combination with the BB-2 in the neck. One listen and you’ll think you have a 1959 in your hands!

none of my epi's ever had gibson pickup in them. most of mine had epiphone stamped on them and a sticker with something like epiphone 57 LP bridge DOT neck/bridge or something like that
 
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Some of the Epi Elite range got US-made pickups. They are the exception to the rule. I mean. Why waste pickups that good?
 
Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Besides living in Qingdao, China on and off again, last time just ½ block away from Gibson / Epiphone’s Qingdao factory...

From Gibson’s web page… Check it out for your self!
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Epiphone/1959-Les-Paul-Standard.aspx

Hearing is Believing
To capture the work of all this classic tonewood, a pair of US-made BurstBucker™ pickups, the most accurate renditions of the original PAF that Gibson has ever made, translate all this warmth and woody resonance into a sweet, vocal electric tone, via high-quality electronics such as a Switchcraft™ toggle switch and Mallory 150™ tone capacitors.

Made just like the originals, with unpolished alnico II magnets and non-potted coils, these pickups include the unevenly wound coils that were a part of the magic of original PAFs, a result of the lack of automatic shutoffs on Gibson's winding machines in the late 1950s. Seth Lover, who invented the humbucker, always said they wound the bobbins "until they were full.”

When two coils in a pickup have a different number of turns, that variation puts a little "edge" or "bite" on the classic humbucker sound. That's the sound BurstBuckers replicate. The neck pickup is a Burstbucker-2 and is wound in the range of Gibson's '57 Classic. The bridge pickup is a Burstbucker-3 and is slightly over-wound with a hotter output that works well in combination with the BB-2 in the neck. One listen and you’ll think you have a 1959 in your hands!



These USA made Burstbuckers are ONLY in the "Limited Edition "1959" reissue". NOT in ALL Epis. This is a "limited Edition" special case. All other standard issue Epis come with Epi cheap Asian pups.
 
Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Besides living in Qingdao, China on and off again, last time just ½ block away from Gibson / Epiphone’s Qingdao factory...

From Gibson’s web page… Check it out for your self!
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Epiphone/1959-Les-Paul-Standard.aspx

Hearing is Believing
To capture the work of all this classic tonewood, a pair of US-made BurstBucker™ pickups, the most accurate renditions of the original PAF that Gibson has ever made, translate all this warmth and woody resonance into a sweet, vocal electric tone, via high-quality electronics such as a Switchcraft™ toggle switch and Mallory 150™ tone capacitors.

Made just like the originals, with unpolished alnico II magnets and non-potted coils, these pickups include the unevenly wound coils that were a part of the magic of original PAFs, a result of the lack of automatic shutoffs on Gibson's winding machines in the late 1950s. Seth Lover, who invented the humbucker, always said they wound the bobbins "until they were full.”

When two coils in a pickup have a different number of turns, that variation puts a little "edge" or "bite" on the classic humbucker sound. That's the sound BurstBuckers replicate. The neck pickup is a Burstbucker-2 and is wound in the range of Gibson's '57 Classic. The bridge pickup is a Burstbucker-3 and is slightly over-wound with a hotter output that works well in combination with the BB-2 in the neck. One listen and you’ll think you have a 1959 in your hands!



These USA made Burstbuckers are ONLY in the "Limited Edition "1959" reissue". NOT in ALL Epis. This is a "limited Edition" special case exception. All other standard issue Epis come with Epi cheap Asian pups.

Pretty irresponsible to make such a statement implying a general condition, when it only applies to an exception.
 
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http://www.epiphone.com/news.asp?NewsID=556

Look at the last picture, epiphone celebrates this monstrosity

Double Vacuum Waxing: Epiphone utilizes a vacuum waxing process that ensures optimum performance. The pickup is first placed in the specialized wax vacuuming system before the cover is placed on the unit to ensure that the wax fully penetrates to the very center of the pickup and solidifies all parts. After the cover is placed on, it is again given a second vacuum, wax bath until the unit is completely saturated in wax. Epiphone uses only the highest quality parts for it's pickups. ABS plastic bobbins, 1010 Coil Rolled Steel pole shoes and pole screws, Alnico and ceramic magnets and the finest magnet wire available.
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Double Vacuum Waxing: Epiphone utilizes a vacuum waxing process that ensures optimum performance. The pickup is first placed in the specialized wax vacuuming system before the cover is placed on the unit to ensure that the wax fully penetrates to the very center of the pickup and solidifies all parts. After the cover is placed on, it is again given a second vacuum, wax bath until the unit is completely saturated in wax. Epiphone uses only the highest quality parts for its pickups. ABS plastic bobbins, 1010 Coil Rolled Steel pole shoes and pole screws, Alnico and ceramic magnets and the finest magnet wire available.

Wow! They go to all that trouble to make a pickup that sounds like something that you would not want to find on the sole of your shoe.
 
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Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

This is the bridge pickup from my Agile AL-2000, which has been replaced by a Dimarzio Super Distortion, then a Brobucker (Niiiiice!). The pics are blurry, but you can pretty much see the block of soap it's encased in, lol.

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This is the bridge pickup from my Agile AL-2000, which has been replaced by a Dimarzio Super Distortion, then a Brobucker (Niiiiice!). The pics are blurry, but you can pretty much see the block of soap it's encased in, lol.

Agilepickup004.jpg

Agilepickup006.jpg

Agilepickup003.jpg

my duncan C5 was like that when i took the cover off. maybe not quite as bad but it did have that "soap bar" thing going on
 
Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Besides living in Qingdao, China on and off again, last time just ½ block away from Gibson / Epiphone’s Qingdao factory...

From Gibson’s web page… Check it out for your self!
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Epiphone/1959-Les-Paul-Standard.aspx

Hearing is Believing
To capture the work of all this classic tonewood, a pair of US-made BurstBucker™ pickups, the most accurate renditions of the original PAF that Gibson has ever made, translate all this warmth and woody resonance into a sweet, vocal electric tone, via high-quality electronics such as a Switchcraft™ toggle switch and Mallory 150™ tone capacitors.

Made just like the originals, with unpolished alnico II magnets and non-potted coils, these pickups include the unevenly wound coils that were a part of the magic of original PAFs, a result of the lack of automatic shutoffs on Gibson's winding machines in the late 1950s. Seth Lover, who invented the humbucker, always said they wound the bobbins "until they were full.”

When two coils in a pickup have a different number of turns, that variation puts a little "edge" or "bite" on the classic humbucker sound. That's the sound BurstBuckers replicate. The neck pickup is a Burstbucker-2 and is wound in the range of Gibson's '57 Classic. The bridge pickup is a Burstbucker-3 and is slightly over-wound with a hotter output that works well in combination with the BB-2 in the neck. One listen and you’ll think you have a 1959 in your hands!

I can assure you that this passage does not describe, in any way, the stock pickups in the Epiphones that I bought in 2003. Those pickups are now playing a sold-out show in a landfill.

Actually, one of those guitars now has a pair of US-made BurstBucker™ pickups, and they are several billion times better than what I pulled out and tossed.
 
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Agile's pickups are soap bars, too, and yet they don't sound near as bad as the epi neck pickup. Kojak nailed it, it's in the windings first and formost.
 
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Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Epiphone pups are made by Gibson and shipped to Qingdao, China for installation into Epiphone guitars.

I just wanted to see this again.
 
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It looks like a decorative soap for every guitarists' bathroom.

+1. Why in God's name would anyone think a PU needs that much wax? Every high quality PU I've seen has almost no wax (and I have a lot of PU's, many manufacturers and models). I think this is one way Gibson justifies the price difference between Epi's and Gibsons, because with those PU's, the playing field is nowhere close to be level. Put a pound of wax in a Gibson PU, and it'll kill the tone too.
 
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Please excuse my ignorance. What is the point of the wax? I bought a cheap Korean PRS, and swapped the pickups with duncans. But even those stock cheap pickups looked okay. Do covered pu's usually have wax?
 
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http://www.epiphone.com/news.asp?NewsID=556

Look at the last picture, epiphone celebrates this monstrosity

Wow, they're smart!

Please excuse my ignorance. What is the point of the wax? I bought a cheap Korean PRS, and swapped the pickups with duncans. But even those stock cheap pickups looked okay. Do covered pu's usually have wax?

It is supposed to prevent feedback and hide the cheapness of the pickups. Somehow, however, my asian pups like to squeal more than my Gibson and Duncan pickups.... hmmm....:scratchch
 
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Re: I have discovered why the Epiphone Pickups suck!!!

Please excuse my ignorance. What is the point of the wax? I bought a cheap Korean PRS, and swapped the pickups with duncans. But even those stock cheap pickups looked okay. Do covered pu's usually have wax?

Wax is used to hold in place anything that might move and vibrate, and cause feedback (pole pieces, magnet, cover, and wires). It only takes a small amount of wax to accomplish that. There is no earthly need to bury the entire PU in wax. That's overkill, akin to using a slegdehammer to swat mosquitoes.

Besides the wax issue, Epi's and most other Asian PU's, are not made with the same quality of materials, nor with the winding secrets that have taken American PU makers decades to develop. You get a PU that generates an electrical signal, that's about it. If you want tone quality, definition, and depth, then you pay the extra money for American or European made PU's. PU's are not the thing to scrimp on.
 
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are you high?! they rock there are better ones out there but dude i think they rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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are you high?! they rock there are better ones out there but dude i think they rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you are joking.
 
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I don't think the wax in and of itself is the maker of tone. I have a pair of newer Ibanez Super 58's, which are fantastic PUP's. They are a solid block of wax (well...on the bottom anyway...don't know about inside). I was concerned when I first got them, but figured I'd just install and lose them if I didn't like the sound. They are...well...super. I have a vintage pair in an 81 Artist (no visible wax) and these newer ones are in a completely overhauled Fender Esprit. My favorites along w/ SD 59's and Seths.
 
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