I need eq help!

[jaredmkl]

I just got a peavey 100w vypyr. I love it! But I cant seem to get the right eq.

Im using the rectfier model on red (hi-gain) with a tube screamer. My guitar is an ibanez rga-32 (arched mahogany with maple neck) with an ahb-1 set.

I like to play KSE, BFMV, ATR, Iron Maiden, Metallica stuff.

Any Ideas?:feedback:

 

[eschoendorff]

Re: I need eq help!

First off, TURN YOUR AMP GAIN DOWN. Let the tone of the guitar through!

Now set all of your tone controls to 12:00 noon. Adjust from there. Adjust in small increments. Maybe add some mids.

Also, experiment with using a Marshall model. Iron Maiden uses Marshall amps, not Mesas (that I know of). Metallica usually blends Marshall and Mesa sounds.

Also, set the tubescreamer like this: Gain = 1 or 0, tone = 12:00 and level = max. This way it is just a boost to tighten things up a little. These are usually used with an actual Mesa Rectifier. With a modeling amp, it may muddle things up and throw your EQ off...

There. That'll get you started. Now someone else can chime in.

 

[super rad stuff]

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^all that stuff i was too lazy to mention.

 

[jaredmkl]

Re: I need eq help!

First off, TURN YOUR AMP GAIN DOWN. Let the tone of the guitar through!

Now set all of your tone controls to 12:00 noon. Adjust from there. Adjust in small increments. Maybe add some mids.

Also, experiment with using a Marshall model. Iron Maiden uses Marshall amps, not Mesas (that I know of). Metallica usually blends Marshall and Mesa sounds.

Also, set the tubescreamer like this: Gain = 1 or 0, tone = 12:00 and level = max. This way it is just a boost to tighten things up a little. These are usually used with an actual Mesa Rectifier. With a modeling amp, it may muddle things up and throw your EQ off...

Thanks! The only marshall model on it is a plexi :/. And there is no tone control on the built in tube screamer. This will get me enough distortion right? My band plays mostly modern metal and uses alot.

 

[ACH91332]

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Yeah only use enough gain to chug a bit so theres some balls. There's a certain point where the gain takes over and it really doesn't matter what your guitar or EQ is. Especially if its a diode clipping circuit.

Idk what those acronyms are but as far as Metallica and Maiden you will want a solid bass and enough high to have clarity but still be round sounding. Use some mids too. Even though its Metallica mids are your friend. Don't roll all your mids back. Everyone thinks this makes a more powerful tone. Idk why. Mids are what bolden your sound and make you cut. Taking them away might tighten up the bass response but will make you thin and inaudible in a band situation.

 

[crguti]

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Can someone come and equalize my amp?

 

[jaredmkl]

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Yeah only use enough gain to chug a bit so theres some balls. There's a certain point where the gain takes over and it really doesn't matter what your guitar or EQ is. Especially if its a diode clipping circuit.

Idk what those acronyms are but as far as Metallica and Maiden you will want a solid bass and enough high to have clarity but still be round sounding. Use some mids too. Even though its Metallica mids are your friend. Don't roll all your mids back. Everyone thinks this makes a more powerful tone. Idk why. Mids are what bolden your sound and make you cut. Taking them away might tighten up the bass response but will make you thin and inaudible in a band situation.

Thanks! what about for like a BFMV and KSE style sound?

 

[astrozombie]

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Thanks! what about for like a BFMV and KSE style sound?

Id say alot of it is pickups. active ones.

the same applies though.

try this, lower the gain on the actual amp by alot, and try to make up for it with gain from the tube screamer.

 

[apj]

Re: I need eq help!

I'm assuming by built in tube screamer you are talking about the effects on the amp. Take that right out of the equation, you're adding more gain than you need and the built in tubescreamer probably isn't having the intended effect of tightening up bass, adding sustain, etc. that it does when you boost a normal amp, it most likely is muddying things up in your case. Start with everything at noon like someone else said, including your gain. Seems like most modelling software and amps have an insane amount of gain that no one would ever need, so it is likely if you're maxing out your gain, you're losing your tone right there

 

[Petrovsk Mizinski]

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Id say alot of it is pickups. active ones.

the same applies though.

try this, lower the gain on the actual amp by alot, and try to make up for it with gain from the tube screamer.

A lot is the pickups?
I'd say most of KSE comes from the amps, Maxon boost and the playing.
Then comes pickups.

 

[astrozombie]

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A lot is the pickups?
I'd say most of KSE comes from the amps, Maxon boost and the playing.
Then comes pickups.

i agree, the amp and boost play a part. he has a boost however, and a mesa style amp, so whats different is pickups, right?

 

[Petrovsk Mizinski]

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i agree, the amp and boost play a part. he has a boost however, and a mesa style amp, so whats different is pickups, right?

He has the AHB-1 set which isn't too far off from what KSE use.
Obviously an EMG 85 in the bridge is ideal, but having any active pickups at all that are similar sounding to EMGs should help to get him fairly close

 

[jaredmkl]

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Well I've tinkered around what with you guys suggested. Thanks for all the feed back. With the vypyr, it seems to be muddy with out having the eq cranked. So Im at something like low = full. high = 4 oclock. mid = 11:30. Pre gain = 3 oclock, post gain = full. Tube screamer: level = full, gain = 8 oclock. It sounds sweet! Nice distortion, but clear. Warm and rounded. Nice modern metal tone. Maiden and Metallica stuff sounds cool on it but its not that classic metal tone, but for what i mostly do it sounds good, and classic stuff cool on it. Thanks bunches

 

[eschoendorff]

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Well I've tinkered around what with you guys suggested. Thanks for all the feed back. With the vypyr, it seems to be muddy with out having the eq cranked. So Im at something like low = full. high = 4 oclock. mid = 11:30. Pre gain = 3 oclock, post gain = full. Tube screamer: level = full, gain = 8 oclock. It sounds sweet! Nice distortion, but clear. Warm and rounded. Nice modern metal tone. Maiden and Metallica stuff sounds cool on it but its not that classic metal tone, but for what i mostly do it sounds good, and classic stuff cool on it. Thanks bunches

I would suspect that you would be MUCH better served dumping the internal "tubescreamer" and getting the real thing and putting that in front of the amp.

i have not ever come across a modeled tubescreamer that does what the real thing does.

 

[Petrovsk Mizinski]

Re: I need eq help!

Well I've tinkered around what with you guys suggested. Thanks for all the feed back. With the vypyr, it seems to be muddy with out having the eq cranked. So Im at something like low = full. high = 4 oclock. mid = 11:30. Pre gain = 3 oclock, post gain = full. Tube screamer: level = full, gain = 8 oclock. It sounds sweet! Nice distortion, but clear. Warm and rounded. Nice modern metal tone. Maiden and Metallica stuff sounds cool on it but its not that classic metal tone, but for what i mostly do it sounds good, and classic stuff cool on it. Thanks bunches

Low on full? DUDE, no :laugh2:
That's what a bass guitar is for man, to cover the low end.
Set the low to about 11 o clock.
Turn down the post gain too man, no wonder you were getting a flubby low end.
The post gain isn't meant to be so high.

I would suspect that you would be MUCH better served dumping the internal "tubescreamer" and getting the real thing and putting that in front of the amp.

i have not ever come across a modeled tubescreamer that does what the real thing does.

The one exception is Tube Screamers Secret, but it's a digital plug in, but yeah, I agree he should get a TS-7

 

[jaredmkl]

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Low on full? DUDE, no :laugh2:
That's what a bass guitar is for man, to cover the low end.
Set the low to about 11 o clock.
Turn down the post gain too man, no wonder you were getting a flubby low end.
The post gain isn't meant to be so high.



The one exception is Tube Screamers Secret, but it's a digital plug in, but yeah, I agree he should get a TS-7

oops xD. so now Im going Pre-gain= full, low=1:30, mid = 11:30, high= 1, post-gain= 1. Tube screamer level = full, gain = 8:30.

It sounds much better, thanks. I really didnt know what post gain did.

Do you think onstage if I miced it, this could keep up with my bandmate's 100w marshall mg half stack?

 

[super rad stuff]

Re: I need eq help!

they're both solid state amps feeding 100 watts, you probably won't have to mic up. that is, if you put your mids up higher! set those around at least 2:00 with the highs just above that and you will seem "louder" onstage just because of the extra mids. 'n' turn off the tube screamer model and get a real tube screamer, even a cheapo ts-7 man, you'll be waaaay better off than using that digital model.

 

[James Rock]

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Im going Pre-gain= full, low=1:30, mid = 11:30, high= 1, post-gain= 1. Tube screamer level = full, gain = 8:30.

Try balancing the pre and post gains so a bit of pre and a bit of post too much pre will give you too much distortion and will be a little fizzy too much post or overall volume may clip the digital section which is worse although maybe not. I'm not too familiar with the vyper but in general thats the idea.

 

[crguti]

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I really didnt know what post gain did.

:smack:

 

[Chickenwings]

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I just got a peavey 100w vypyr. I love it! But I cant seem to get the right eq.

Thats funny!
Its cool tho - i feel for you - i traded in all my pedals and bought a whole stack of expensive and completely crap sounding digital stuff in the 80s. noiseless pickups, noise gates, digital reverb etc. I thought it was so great at the time and just could not work out why I could never get the Jimi Hendrix/Van Halen/Brian May/Led Zep/Stevie Ray sound (and it wasn't just my playing!).... Its a lesson we all learn the hard (expensive) way.