I need help diagnosing an amp...

Surgeon

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Hi,

One of my friend has had a PV Classic 30 for 15 years or so (give or take a few) and he told me it kept blowing tubes. The closest tech told him it was most likely the bias but didn't want to work on that kind of stuff (how nice). So, this friend, knowing that I know a bit about amps brought it to me hoping that I could help.

I fired the amp up tonight and all the tubes were glowing nicely with some blue in them... I bought a new EL84 quad so I put 'em in there. Fired the amp again and it worked nicely for about a minute (man, that amp sure sounds sweet when overdriven!).

Here's the interesting part: After that minute, the volume started going down just like it would if the amp would've been turned off. It didn't behave like a blown tube (which I've experienced more than a few times). It was just a smooth gradual volume drop until nothing came out (just like an amp draining after being shut down with the standby still on "operate"). The power tubes didn't glow anymore even though the amp was still on and the pre-amp tubes were glowing still.

I pulled out and pushed-in each tube, fired the amp up and the same phenomenon happened again (I was playing softer so I heard a faint "click" right before the volume started to drop), only this time I can't get it to work no more... The amp powers up, the pre-amp tubes are glowing but there's not a spec of light in any of the 4 power tubes.

I'm discarding the bias/blown tubes theory since none of the tubes seem to even have current flowing through.

Any thought on what could be wrong here? I'm gonna open it up to see if there's some faulty connection around the sockets and such but that "U" shaped board is such a PITA to work on that I'd like to know if any of you have any clue to give me a headstart.

Thanks a lot guys!
 
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Check R71 & R72; they are two large sand block resistors mounted on the middle board. The power tube filiments run through these two resistors. Chances are that one of the had opened at some point and the other finally went. You will also need to check all of the filiment traces to the power tubes; chances are some of them may have lifted. If this is the case, scrape the remainder of the trace from the board and hard wire the power tube filiments. This is a common problem with Peaveys as they age. Unfortunately, you won't find a blown fuse in there. The fuse that covers the power tube filiments also covers the preamp tubes (36 volt DC daisy chain), the ICs and channel switching. Since you preamp filiments still work, the fuse is still good. Prepare to practically gut the chassis to fix this...it's not fun. Good luck!
 
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Thanks glassman, very good info... I guess I'll have to find more time to do this. It'll be some good experience though!

cheers!
 
Re: I need help diagnosing an amp...

Thanks glassman, very good info... I guess I'll have to find more time to do this. It'll be some good experience though!

cheers!

The first one is always the most difficult...the second one will be a cakewalk. Make sure you document everything you disconnect and take photos if possible so you know how to put it back together. These amps, like most Peaveys, are almost impossible to diagnose by probing since you can't get to a lot of the components without disassembling it first. Measure all critical resistors 1/2 watt and over and replace any that are out of tolerance. You might want to consider recapping the amp while you are in there...don't forget the electrolytics in the bias/IC/channel switching circuits.
 
Re: I need help diagnosing an amp...

The first one is always the most difficult...the second one will be a cakewalk. Make sure you document everything you disconnect and take photos if possible so you know how to put it back together. These amps, like most Peaveys, are almost impossible to diagnose by probing since you can't get to a lot of the components without disassembling it first. Measure all critical resistors 1/2 watt and over and replace any that are out of tolerance. You might want to consider recapping the amp while you are in there...don't forget the electrolytics in the bias/IC/channel switching circuits.

You're an awesome guy Jerry!:beerchug:
 
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You're an awesome guy Jerry!:beerchug:

Thanks John, so are you! By the way, I contacted Sozo and am going to be stocking thier Blue Molded caps to use, where appropriate, in repairs. I wouldn't have known about them if it weren't for the information you posted. Thanks!
 
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Thanks John, so are you! By the way, I contacted Sozo and am going to be stocking thier Blue Molded caps to use, where appropriate, in repairs. I wouldn't have known about them if it weren't for the information you posted. Thanks!

Awesome buddy! Do let us all know what your thoughts are on the caps...They're big and nice lookin caps! If they don't sound cool,they look cool... ;o) Phil sorry about the hi-jack buddy!


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Re: I need help diagnosing an amp...

Thanks again for the help Glassman! That's more than I expected...

cheers!
 
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