I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

Re: I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

Aceman said:
Most guitarists are that IMO....

And I'm the opposite; I'll tweak in the music room, but live, rawk out with your....you know the rest.

All of that is lost in crappy PA and horrible room full of screaming people and the Leslie like effect of flying panties on the highs...

DECENT BALANCE4D MIX BEATS ALL.
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So you don't care about your live tone?

If the PA sucks and you don't have somebody you trust mixing you might consider looking for a better gig.
 
Re: I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

2ndhandband said:
I don't get this obsession with bedroom tone. This isn't a gig. Half the time when I'm working on stuff at home I don't even plug in, and the other half I use the irig. I bring this up because I sense an imbalance in the force: how much time are you spending tweaking your gear as opposed to playing it?
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good tone makes it more fun to pick up the guitar and play, but yeah i will never again try to nail some tone i hear in my head if its just home practice. ballpark it? sure.

I used to own a DSL50 head and in my bedroom, I liked to max gain the green crunch mode with the presence off and help it with the danelectro overdrive that was the sort of copy of the OCD.
Did it sound like the green crunch channel cranked up? eh, kinda, if you're used to what amps sound like on .5 volume vs 6 you get the idea in your head that yeah this would work better if I could play loud but for now I'll just roll with it. good enough for what it was.
I did sell that amp though, traded for an Egnater Tweaker. DSL was too loud. The Tweaker was very warm at low volumes.
 
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2ndhandband said:
So you don't care about your live tone?

If the PA sucks and you don't have somebody you trust mixing you might consider looking for a better gig.
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Care about is one thing. Lose my mind over it is another.

I'm a pragmatist and I'm there to put on a show - I'm not playing for guitarists who will criticize my tone no matter what I do.

Again, in order of priority:
1. Playing the right songs
2. Band is tight
3. The mix is good
4. The stage energy is high
5. Not too loud

"Tone" is not even on the list. It all has "Sound" good, but if I have those 5 things I can go up there and play an Epiphany LP with stock pickups through a Marshall MG100. The crowd will love it. And when the crowd is happy - well, I'm happy.

Take those 5 things away and Joe Bonamassa will suck eggs, regardless of his "tone."
 
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Re: I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

Aceman said:
Care about is one thing. Lose my mind over it is another.

I'm a pragmatist and I'm there to put on a show - I'm not playing for guitarists who will criticize my tone no matter what I do.

Again, in order of priority:
1. Playing the right songs
2. Band is tight
3. The mix is good
4. The stage energy is high
5. Not too loud

"Tone" is not even on the list. It all has "Sound" good, but if I have those 5 things I can go up there and play an Epiphany LP with stock pickups through a Marshall MG100. The crowd will love it. And when the crowd is happy - well, I'm happy.

Take those 5 things away and Joe Bonamassa will suck eggs, regardless of his "tone."
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I agree to a point, but not entirely. I'm speaking not as a guitarist here but as a live sound engineer. Getting you a great sounding mix is much, much easier if I'm getting great sounds from the stage. And what is more important than a great sounding mix?
 
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2ndhandband said:
I agree to a point, but not entirely. I'm speaking not as a guitarist here but as a live sound engineer. Getting you a great sounding mix is much, much easier if I'm getting great sounds from the stage. And what is more important than a great sounding mix?
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As the artist - I'm not interested in YOUR idea of what great sound is. I'm interested in you getting my great sound delivered to myself, the band, and most importantly, the audience.

If you want to get YOUR great sound, or idea of it to room, then start your own band.

You are a sound guy - not Frickin' Mutt Lange and this is a bar gig, not the making of Hysteria.
 
Re: I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

In the 80's I had so many live sound guys not get what I was doing and compress the crap out of my tone or scoop my mids. I was trying to rock my own tone and ended up sounding like every other guitarist on the gig.
 
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Securb said:
In the 80's I had so many live sound guys not get what I was doing and compress the crap out of my tone or scoop my mids. I was trying to rock my own tone and ended up sounding like every other guitarist on the gig.
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Yeah - me and the other guitarist spend time crafting tone curves and effects settings to compliment each other. He is generally playing Strat styles, I've got Les Paul.

I might use chorus while he uses delay, etc...
 
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Securb said:
In the 80's I had so many live sound guys not get what I was doing and compress the crap out of my tone or scoop my mids. I was trying to rock my own tone and ended up sounding like every other guitarist on the gig.
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I hate it when guys do that. The art is to take the individual player's tones and build into into a whole package, not to bang them into whatever shape you're most accustomed to working with. Sometimes some sacrifices have to be made when instruments are competing for space (nothing is worse than two metal guitarists trying to have a biggest crunch competition) but in general I'm a minimal EQ kind of guy... I only monkey with stuff if I have to. The more on top of your tone you are, the less I have to mess with it to make it work. Regarding your other complaint... compression... I try to be minimal about that as well. Most modern soundmen squash the crap out of everything, and although I don't like it i understand it. Compression makes our job easier, and a lot of engineers figure most modern musicians don't have the first friggin clue about dynamics anyway (and unfortunately they are right about that) so why not just compress everything and save ourselves some trouble? Once again I don't subscribe to that line of reasoning... but I understand it.

Aceman... you seem to think sound production doesn't matter. I work in a region where there are a number of professional cover bands working a fairly large area... and they all are paying top dollar for good production. They wouldn't do it if it didn't matter. Getting real sound can help get you out of the dive bars into the places that actually pay enough to be worth the bother. Right now I'm playing a couple months worth of shows with a band I have mixed in the past; filling in whilst the usual guitar player cools his heels in detox. All A rooms and for good pay. I used to work for the sound company they use, and the young lady who is mixing us is somebody I trained. For me it's a huge deal having the piece of mind that comes with knowing your sound tech is getting you the best possible sound you're going to have in that room.
 
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There is a difference between tweaking for the best mix and changing a guitarist's/band's tone to whatever the sound dude likes.

A good sound engineer is more rare than finding a good bass player, IMO.
 
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Re: I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

treyhaislip said:
There is a difference between tweaking for the best mix and changing a guitarist's/band's tone to whatever the sound dude likes.

A good sound engineer is more rare than finding a good bass player, IMO.
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I don't think it's necessarily rare, but you're gonna pay for it. I don't get off my couch for less than $200, and that's for gigs where I'm not bringing my own PA. Any reasonably sized city should have at least a couple of small to medium sized companies doing smaller shows that can send somebody competent. If a club has house sound DO NOT use the house engineer... they always suck. Call a sound company you trust to send somebody out. If you're just starting out you might not make much but the idea is to sound amazing and work your way up to the better gigs. Don't try to bring your own PA unless you really have money to burn; you won't compete with the band down the street using what a dedicated production company can bring. My ground zero rig... smallest thing I personally own... the racks and stacks alone would run north of 10k if I'd bought it new. The console cost me about 4k. And I haven't even mentioned the monitor rig.

Ideally see if you can find somebody who does house sound at a place that brings in touring acts... these people are usually very good. Funny thing is a lot of the guys the touring acts themselves bring are terrible! When I was house audio in such a place... the way it generally works for these smaller venue tours is the house engineer mixes the openers and the headliner brings their own guy. I can remember on many occasions sitting back during the headliner thinking my god... if the openers had sounded like that the local promoter would never use me for a job again. Seriously... if you're that short on budget $$$ that you have to let your brother's uncle's cousin mix, then just leave the monkey at home and let the house engineer do his job. I avoid naming names if it's an artist I've worked with but one example where I was in the audience was nightwish a couple years ago. The house engineer had delain and sonata arctic sounding phenomenal... then nightwish's engineer took over a stunk up the joint. Badly.
 
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The house engineer....:lmao:
 
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Rigo Tovar said:
but I can only play it at a 0.5 volume because otherwise my room will crumble! Maybe an attenuator could be helpful but I would like to hear your opinions regarding this.

Thanks
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Not gonna happen

I really suggest small and/or modelling amps for home/living room/bedroom stuff.

To get to the sweet spot of a 100wt rig at home you have to be Jolly lol
 
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Re: I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

Aceman said:
The house engineer....:lmao:
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Most clubs with a house PA usually also have somebody to maintain and run it on an as-need basis. At least in my neck of the woods. If the place brings in touring acts, he's usually pretty good. If it isn't such a place do NOT let him mix your band!!! The house usually won't care if you wanna bring your own guy.
 
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Rigo Tovar said:
I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)
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Yes, if you mod the amp to plexi specs, then turn it up loud enough to get the PI cooking.

Barring that, you'd probably be best served running the amp clean and using a "plexi-tone" stompbox.
 
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Wattage said:
Not gonna happen

I really suggest small and/or modelling amps for home/living room/bedroom stuff.

To get to the sweet spot of a 100wt rig at home you have to be Jolly lol
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And in the kitchen....
 
Re: I need to get a Plexi tone with a DSL100H (Is it possible?)

Aceman said:
Again, in order of priority:
1. Playing the right songs
2. Band is tight
3. The mix is good
4. The stage energy is high
5. Not too loud
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2ndhandband said:
I'm speaking not as a guitarist here but as a live sound engineer. Getting you a great sounding mix is much, much easier if I'm getting great sounds from the stage. And what is more important than a great sounding mix?
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From the poll above, it looks like playing the right songs and the band is tight might be more important than a great sounding mix of a band playing the wrong songs sloppily.
 
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Little Pigbacon said:
Ah, gee mister, that's no fun.
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But it's practical. When my live rig comes home it lives in the garage unless I need to dial something or pull maintenance. It's just too damn much trouble to set up otherwise. I don't even have an amp in the living room; just my ipad with the irig which I run straight to my computer thus enabling me to blend it with whatever music I'm working on. It's not great sounding but it allows me to work with a minimum of fuss and zero time wasted fiddling with settings.
 
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