I need to get vaguely proficient with pro tools

rashayritto

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I need an inexpensive PT rig. is there no software-only version of PT? seems you gotta have some matching hardware...

also, whats the fastest way to familiarize myself with PT? in particular i need to know how to edit drums and tune vocals. I'm getting into the recording industry and while one offer is a 100% analog place, the other studio would prefer if i can do the above tasks and know my way around PT.

any help would be fantastic!
 
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I need an inexpensive PT rig. is there no software-only version of PT? seems you gotta have some matching hardware...

"Pro Tools" is and has always been a software/hardware combination.

The PT software will only work with PT hardware... PT hardware cannot be used with any other software.

Only way in is to buy or borrow a rig, and it usually likes to have a computer dedicated entirely to audio... a good idea anyway, but PT is WAY pickier about that then say Cubase or Digital Performer.

If you can edit drums & get around in one then its usually not a big deal to adjust to another one...

Besides, editing drums and the vocals is the producers gig... not the assistants and DEFINITELY not the house assistant/interns gig either. I realize that it happens, but those usually aren't the type of people that you want to be involved with...
 
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Yeah... there was the somewhat crippled PT "free" that was available at one point... but that was close to a decade ago. Not only is it no longer available (like it says in that link) but it really bears no similarity to the Toolz of today.

Sort of like learning to drive a 24' box truck and then hopping into a formula 1.

Well... maybe not exactly... but close enough.
 
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Besides, editing drums and the vocals is the producers gig... not the assistants and DEFINITELY not the house assistant/interns gig either. I realize that it happens, but those usually aren't the type of people that you want to be involved with...

well the guy who asked about PT is looking for an assistant who can handle that stuff. The idea is for me to eventually handle sessions without him. so if i'm not specifically going to be just an engineer, is it strange to have some producer duties? In my talks with the fellow what kind of questions should i ask about his motives and such and what should i look for should i go for a face to face interview and see his studio? (if he has his own, didnt mention)
 
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I just set up an M-Powered rig pretty easily and quickly for not a lot of cash.

I have an M-Audio Audiophile 192 pci card in a dual core PC with 2 gb ram and a sata 250gb 7200 rpm hdd. The card was 179, the pc running xp was 379. The software is 299. It kicks butt.
 
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well the guy who asked about PT is looking for an assistant who can handle that stuff. The idea is for me to eventually handle sessions without him. so if i'm not specifically going to be just an engineer, is it strange to have some producer duties? In my talks with the fellow what kind of questions should i ask about his motives and such and what should i look for should i go for a face to face interview and see his studio? (if he has his own, didnt mention)

Gonna try to keep it short... its a deep subject and I really don't have the time to get into it here... nor is a web forum really the proper medium... so, having said that...

Everyone will have their own expectations and motivations... much like anything else in life. I can't tell you what anyone else expects, and a lot of that is going to depend on how big the shop is and how busy they are... the type of sessions and all that stuff.

One thing I can say though, is that if I'm hiring an assistant... and this holds true for a lot of people... is that if the person is hired into the gig, we expect them to be proficient with at least one major DAW; be able to find their way around a studio, have a fairly good sense of proper etiquette in a professional recording environment AND some idea of how to properly run a session. Among other traits...

On the other hand, I'd expect a hell of a lot less from an intern... to the point where they can identify an XLR from an instrument cable, be able to stick mics on stands, and take direction well enough to not fukk up the food order. Anything else is a bonus, and usually the less they know the better.

Either way, there shouldn't be more then a week or two of hand-holding... if it goes much beyond that point & the person can't swim they'll be replaced with another warm body. There's a lot more rekkordin' skool grads then available positions in the industry... probably 50 to 1 if not way higher, so the low man really has to make a great impression.


Lastly... and sort of another topic but not really... It's ALWAYS (or at least should be) the producers gig to cut takes together and tune vocals on their clients project. Think about that for a second...

If I found out that someone was doing that stuff on one of my productions without my knowledge, and/or without me being present there would be NO END to the hell that would be unleashed.

Most all of the really great producers don't trust anyone else enough for those crucial tasks. Eno... Barresi... Bryce Goggin...

The assistant gets to make backups & do lots of other things like run rough mixes but NEVER cutting drums or any sort of editing without supervision.

I realize its becoming somewhat commonplace but IMNSHO that's one of the major problems with 'modern' record making.

Peace.
 
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thanks moose :)

from my talks with people in the biz and insight like yours, i'm learning that the major things i need to know are "dont **** it up, and use your head". i think i'll be fine after the first few hours.

i will try to get familiar with cubase for now until i can have a PT rig for personal use. Until then i will be getting training in an analog setting. by the time i'm ready for a paying gig hopefully i'll have the credentials and skills i need to move up
 
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Good post Moose

**fwiw** Pick up Pro Tools for Dummies, can't find things any easier than a Dummies book.
 
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i think i'll be fine after the first few hours.

Good luck with that.

Even after a year of rekordin' skool and a recommendation from the head of the department, it was still about a month of before I was allowed into a session or say anything more to the artists then "you've got a call on line 3..."

And that was 5-6 days a week... 10-14 hours a day at the studio. Without pay.

I walked into the major leagues though... a small demo studio would be more forgiving. Trade off is that you don't get the experiences...
 
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Good luck with that.

:lmao: your honesty is appreciated! i meant i would probably not feel nervous after being in the studio for maybe an hour. I'm sure at first it will all feel rather intimidating
 
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after every guitar take you witness, cough emphatically and say "sucked." when they confront you, just say you have something caught in your throat.
 
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