I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

[Emopunk]

Good evening everyone;

I own this beautiful guitar from Charvel;
so far loving it..

It has one little flaw, though; center position on the selector is not hum cancelling.

As you read in the specs:

Pickup Switching: 3-Position Blade: Position 1: Bridge Pickup, Position 2: Both inner coils, Position 3:Neck Pickup, (split engaged) Position 1: Bridge outer coil, Position 2: Both outer coils, Position 3: Neck outer coil

I found this old thread on another forum and if I did my homework correctly, I am supposed to flip the magnet in one of the PUPs.

Is what I see in this video what I am supposed to do?

Thanks to all of you willing to help. It seems rather doable as a procedure.. Of course being on this forum for a while pushed me to think and consider all of this..
So thanks for creating another addict :notworthy

 

[gregory]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

Flip the magnet and reverse the phase of each of the individual coils in one pickup relative to their counterparts in the other pickup.

Example for Duncan wiring:
Tie green and black together, attach white to hot and red to ground.

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

Flip the magnet and reverse the phase of each of the individual coils in one pickup relative to their counterparts in the other pickup.

Example for Duncan wiring:
Tie green and black together, attach white to hot and red to ground.

Sigh.. That's what I was fearing. It doesn't seem that easy then.. It's half doing the whole circuit, I am afraid.

P.S: Don't they do it in the factory to save on working costs? Damn..

 

[gregory]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

They save even more time when they don't go through the extra trouble to do it right.

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

They save even more time when they don't go through the extra trouble to do it right.

Sigh.. So flipping the magnet alone won't bring any benefit to the table, sadly, right?
I was already thinking of doing some mag switch to taste some flavours too.. Maybe a UO A5 on the JB?

 

[gregory]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

Sigh.. So flipping the magnet alone won't bring any benefit to the table, sadly, right?

Not only will the hum not go away, it will be worse than bringing no benefit to the table, your pickups will be out of phase; unless you like the sound of out of phase with hum, of course.

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

Not only will the hum not go away, it will be worse than bringing no benefit to the table, your pickups will be out of phase; unless you like the sound of out of phase with hum, of course.

LOL, of course I don't. Maybe if I post some pics of the wiring we could see if there's a good strategy to do the soldering? What do you think?

 

[gregory]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

Every wire on one pickup will need to be attached to something different. There's simply no way around it.

 

[DavidRavenMoon]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

They are two humbuckers. You do not want to flip the magnet or change the pickup polarity. Otherwise the pickups will be out of phase when used together

What you need to do is make sure you are running a north and south coil at the same time.

So rewire it to get an inside and outside coil.


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[gregory]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

The thing is that people like to run the inside coils together; and for good reason!

You can also elect to rotate one of the pickups, of course; but this by itself will not remedy the OP's problem.

Also, the wiring in mating north and south with a pair of pickups that are wired and polarized the same is not as simple as simply pulling the junction of both humbuckers to ground (or hot), exclusively, which may be what is required for the switching logic that is already in place. AFAICT the OP doesn't seem too interested in doing a lot of work.

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

The thing is that people like to run the inside coils together; and for good reason!

You can also elect to rotate one of the pickups, of course; but this by itself will not remedy the OP's problem.

Also, the wiring in mating north and south with a pair of pickups that are wired and polarized the same is not as simple as simply pulling the junction of each humbucker to ground (or hot), which may be what is required for the switching logic that is already in place. AFAICT the OP doesn't seem too interested in doing a lot of work.

Inner coils together is indeed such a sweet clean sound. Beautiful. If resoldering one pickups ends like Gregory says is enough, I may consider doing it. But first I want to post some pics of the default wiring to show you what we have now. Just to be on the safe side.

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[Mincer]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

I do inner/outer coils on my 5 way switch, and you do indeed have to flip a magnet, on one pickup and switch the phase of a pickup. You can get hum-cancelling, though if you do this (I use a Super Switch to do it).

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

I do inner/outer coils on my 5 way switch, and you do indeed have to flip a magnet, on one pickup and switch the phase of a pickup. You can get hum-cancelling, though if you do this (I use a Super Switch to do it).

Thanks Mincer, do you have the wiring scheme to share for it?

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[PFDarkside]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

I do inner/outer coils on my 5 way switch, and you do indeed have to flip a magnet, on one pickup and switch the phase of a pickup. You can get hum-cancelling, though if you do this (I use a Super Switch to do it).

How does inner coils sound compared to outer coils? (I understand that you probably get more change in positions going inners/outers rather than necks/bridges as standard polarity would be)

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

How does inner coils sound compared to outer coils? (I understand that you probably get more change in positions going inners/outers rather than necks/bridges as standard polarity would be)

Inner coils together sound sweeter, smoother, more mellow.. More like an acoustic too.. Outside coils together sound more snappy, funky, brittle if I may dare..

 

[Mincer]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

Inner coils together sound sweeter, smoother, more mellow.. More like an acoustic too.. Outside coils together sound more snappy, funky, brittle if I may dare..

Yeah, this is my experience, too. The outside coils are a little snappier, like a tele. The wiring diagram (and my article) are here, but I think there is a ground/hot switched somewhere on the diagram that I had to diagnose when I was wiring it (I didn't make the diagram).

 

[gregory]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

One pickup needs to be disconnected, wires re-ordered per my post, and then reconnected.

I would be extremely surprised if there was anything other than three points of contact.

Maybe posting a picture of the existing wiring will help to get things started.

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

Yeah, this is my experience, too. The outside coils are a little snappier, like a tele. The wiring diagram (and my article) are here, but I think there is a ground/hot switched somewhere on the diagram that I had to diagnose when I was wiring it (I didn't make the diagram).

Very good, thank you so much Dave. I will save the article and the diagram for the future. That I think would be my ideal wiring for a HH Superstrat like guitar. Is there any way of knowing the "bug" in the diagram to correct before doing the work? Maybe some of the ohter buds can chime in? Anyway this forum is such a well of knowledge. I learned so much in my short time here.. :clap:

 

[Emopunk]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

One pickup needs to be disconnected, wires re-ordered per my post, and then reconnected.

I would be extremely surprised if there was anything other than three points of contact.

Maybe posting a picture of the existing wiring will help to get things started.

Gregory I will post the present inner wiring ASAP, thanks.

 

[gregory]

Re: I need your help to make 'em hum cancelling!!

No problem.

Don't psyche yourself out over this. If you're competent at soldering and there is enough lead length available, then this should be fairly simple. Looking at any wiring diagram that isn't for your specific guitar as it is currently wired is likely only going to confuse matters.