I think I found my cab...

dave74 said:
As long as the mismatch has the cab at higher ohms than the amp's output it just results in the amp running cooler.
Cooler means darker with more sag, so no harm at all but most will prefer the punch of a correct match,

The amp's output impedance and the cab's total impedance has much less impact on tone then the impedance of the individual speakers being used.

Two 8ohm v30 in series will be 16ohm total, but they will still have the 8ohm v30 tone.
Two 16ohm v30 in parallel will be an 8ohm total, but will still have the 16ohm v30 tone.
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Interesting. Never knew that.

Is it a big effect, or only something you notice when running high volume/on "10"
 
Aceman said:
Interesting. Never knew that.

Is it a big effect, or only something you notice when running high volume/on "10"
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It's one of those things you'd probably never notice unless you do back-to-back A/B comparisons.
16ohm speakers are brighter and slightly more open if compared directly to their 8ohm counterparts.
IMO it's good that most 212 cabs are loaded with 16ohm speakers for that reason, since the size of many 212s can make the tone a bit stuffy compared to a good 412.
 
Those are great cabs. Nearly identical to the ax cabs.
All the 1960 models are built (wood, design and specs) the same. Afaik

I've never been a greenbacks fan, but a lot of people really like them. They don't chug very well. I think your 50w head into that cab will sound great!

Welcome to the Marshall brotherhood, all other cabs will somehow now seem interior! Ha !
 
80's_Thrash_Metal said:
Those are great cabs. Nearly identical to the ax cabs.
All the 1960 models are built (wood, design and specs) the same. Afaik

I've never been a greenbacks fan, but a lot of people really like them. They don't chug very well. I think your 50w head into that cab will sound great!

Welcome to the Marshall brotherhood, all other cabs will somehow now seem interior! Ha !
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- Thanks for the note

- I don't chug very well either, so that is fine LOL

- I can do 50 or 100. Either way.

- Welcome? Little late, but thanks!

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Those little cabs don't count... Kind of like riding a scooter around the streets... it might look like a bike, but the bikers won't acknowledge you.

Plug into that 4x12 and it will all become clear ha ha ha ha.
Just half way ribbing you bud.

I sure do love that Jenna....
 
80's_Thrash_Metal said:
Those are great cabs. Nearly identical to the ax cabs.
All the 1960 models are built (wood, design and specs) the same. Afaik

I've never been a greenbacks fan, but a lot of people really like them. They don't chug very well. I think your 50w head into that cab will sound great!

Welcome to the Marshall brotherhood, all other cabs will somehow now seem interior! Ha !
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Oh, they do!

Straight up Greenbacks from a Marshall cab.

G12-EVH's. Stated by Celestion to be rebranded Heritage Greenbacks.
 
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I disagree. They have great tonal characteristics. And that's why people like them. They are underpowered, they sing with a great voice.

But they are well known for being saggy, they get fat and flubby under tight chugs. There are a hundred speakers that do better at being tight and Uber responsive.
 
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Reason you can mismatch impedance with some Mesa amps is cuz their transformers are spec'd for it.
Most amps cannot tolerate impedance mismatches especially Marshalls.
For best results always match impedance.
There's a price to pay for breaking Ohms Law.
 
as far the cab, its a great cab. and i love greenbacks for rock. if my amp didnt have a 16 ohm tap, i might look elsewhere though
 
You should get the cab and use your two 16ohm t75s and do the t75/m25 x-pattern.
Then use the other green pair to load the 212.
 
Wait I just looked on Mesa's website at the old Stiletto manuals.


They have no 16ohm output! No reason to even be looking at this cab. Ace why didn't you mention the lack of a 16ohm output?


God bless rectifiers!
 
80's_Thrash_Metal said:
I disagree. They have great tonal characteristics. And that's why people like them. They are underpowered, they sing with a great voice.

But they are well known for being saggy, they get fat and flubby under tight chugs. There are a hundred speakers that do better at being tight and Uber responsive.
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Depends on what you want. I don't mind a bit of sag in my chuggs, but I'm only tuning to Drop C. If I was doing Messhuggah, yeah, for sure, not my first choice.

They're not THAT saggy, IMO. It's not like they're unusably muddy. At least not the modern ones. I hear they get a little gritty, but I don't hear them fart out either. But I've never tried them in anything smaller than 4x12. But maybe the tone we're going for is different. I do prefer some more old-school-sounding speakers. I've never gotten along with K-100's, T75's or EVM12L's. But that's just me.

Plenty of pro touring metal bands use the EVH 4x12.

Then again, depends on what you're putting through them. Not my first choice for a Recto either. And your Mode Four would certainly destroy them, LOL.
 
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He could sell/trade off those greenbacks and put some 8ohm V30's, K100's, or something really sweet in there.

That's exactly what I did with my 1960ax when I got it, traded the greenies for some V30's or T-75's if I remember correctly.
 
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