I think what we have here is a fake RI 59 LP auction...

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I was getting a weird vibe looking at the pics, then I looked at the headstock in the bigger pics and noticed the strange logo and serial no....I betcha that's one of those Chinese knockoffs ;)
 
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My reissues don't have the made in usa stamp on them. Wierd cause the guy seems reputable otherwise. It would make more sense if the numbers came out to be a mid 90's heritage, but they don't. I'm not a big fan of clown bursts, but the wood looks good.
 
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It's not a reissue. It has the metal jack plate cover thing. i think it is a gibson, but not a reissue. I know in the nineties there was the "heritage" reissue, but i don't think that this is it. He didn't show any pic's under the pups. that would tell teh story.
 
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The more I look at it, the more it looks like a chinese knockoff...I've seen a few recently that looked this good but they screwed up the logos/serial numbers, much worse than this one.

Also the pups didn't have the correct markings and no long tenon...

I betcha the guy the bought it will think he's got an R9 until someone that knows points it out to him :usa1:

:smack:

Also the "mahogany" definately isn't "reissue" grade...

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Binding is also *WRONG*

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I think it could be an early 1959 Re-issue--before they became the "Historic" series.

Some of these early attemps at a re-issue are very different from the latest R9s.

Bill
 
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Weren't eh first reissues in the late 80's?
 
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54stratlover said:
It's not a reissue. It has the metal jack plate cover thing. i think it is a gibson, but not a reissue. I know in the nineties there was the "heritage" reissue, but i don't think that this is it. He didn't show any pic's under the pups. that would tell teh story.
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The jack plate doesn't really mean anything. After you've owned a few LPs, and broken 8 or 9 plastic jack plates--you tend to go for a metal one! LOL!

Would be nice to know what the code is, but remember that some of the early LP Re-issues didn't even have the long tenon neck.

Bill
 
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It's hard to spot the fake ones sometimes. Especially from a photo. I've seen a fake LP "Costom" (misspelled on truss rod cover). It looked real until you got up close and noticed the little things that weren't quite right.
The owner called Gibson and they said the serial # wasn't legit.

Beware. From a few feet away, or in a pic, it's hard to tell sometimes. And there are a lot of these Chinese knockoffs being passed off as expensive US made guitars on E Bay.
 
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Kosh Naranek said:
It's hard to spot the fake ones sometimes. Especially from a photo. I've seen a fake LP "Costom" (misspelled on truss rod cover). It looked real until you got up close and noticed the little things that weren't quite right.
The owner called Gibson and they said the serial # wasn't legit.

Beware. From a few feet away, or in a pic, it's hard to tell sometimes. And there are a lot of these Chinese knockoffs being passed off as expensive US made guitars on E Bay.
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Worse yet, they use a picture of a real LP and send you one of those "Chinese knockoffs"...I tell ya, unless I know who I'm dealing with (TGP, LPF member) I wouldn't touch a SleezeBay auction these dayz :6:

:chairfall
 
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Gary Ladd said:
Binding is also *WRONG*
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How so? Looks to me like the binding overlaps the fret ends - which is consistant with Gibson and is the first thing I look for when determining if a guitar is made overseas. Gibsons are the only ones I'm aware of where the binding caps the ends of the frets. The imports have the frets going over the binding.


Gary Ladd said:
Also the pups didn't have the correct markings and no long tenon...
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I don't see that pic, did I miss a pic of the pulled pickups and neck pup cavity?




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US $160.00
UPS Ground
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This would turn me off big time. Since when does UPS ground cost $160? I ship $2,000 insured Les Pauls often for about $45 on average (and I only charge the buyer $25).
 
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I think the historic I shipped to Australia only cost about $160 to ship. That was reasonable considering where it had to go.
 
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Gary Ladd said:
Here's another "2003 Reissue 59 LP" ripoff from the same seller, "Flip-It-Fast" :6:

SUPER-QUILT-TOP-GIBSON-LES-PAUL-59-REISSUE

:dance:
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The seller also has a bunch of other Les Pauls up for auction.

Honestly, I'm not seeing anything glaringly out of sorts with them.

There is a COA.

For the sake of potentially casting a negative light on someone that could be a very legit seller I would either take steps to prove the lack of authenticity through something like verifying the COA with Gibson or cease casting judgement.

We've had some fairly well esteemed and knowledgeable members chime in about the offerings from this seller and all of them seem to be saying about the same thing.
 
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Skarekrough said:
For the sake of potentially casting a negative light on someone that could be a very legit seller I would either take steps to prove the lack of authenticity through something like verifying the COA with Gibson or cease casting judgement.
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Never. Going. To Happen.

Consider the source.
 
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I see absolutely nothing about these guitars that would lead me to believe they are fakes with the exception of the Original Post.
 
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There are some great points brought up in this thread upon re-examination. But, since the seller isn't here to defend himself, I'm going to close the thread. I've not checked his feedback or the auction for that matter, but if he has great feedback, then it's up to the buyer to beware and make the call for themselves.

Furthermore, I sincerely hope no one is using this forum to grind their axe.
 
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