I won't buy a Dimarzio...

[Mosher Zone]

Re: I won't buy a Dimarzio...

Conversely, I consider it the epitome of hypocrisy and stupidity to complain about how the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

I didn't that complain about how the world is going to hell, i just said that i don't see what the big deal is, i have a double cream distortion & i like it & I'm really not bothered how Dimarzio have the right to make it or not. What if it turned out Seymour Duncan had done something similar would we all boycott them too? I don't think so.

 

[Zerberus]

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^^ To clarify, I wasn´t speaking about you or anyone else in particular with the quoted passage, but about society in general :beerchug:

"Dey Took er Jobs" .... then turning around and buying a chinese VCR, for example

 

[Archer_of_Fish]

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I didn't that complain about how the world is going to hell, i just said that i don't see what the big deal is, i have a double cream distortion & i like it & I'm really not bothered how Dimarzio have the right to make it or not. What if it turned out Seymour Duncan had done something similar would we all boycott them too? I don't think so.

I would

 

[Jessie's ghost]

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[On buying a used pickup to "boycott" the manufacturer.]

This is a common misconception, however it does not really hold water.

YES, the company isn´t getting your cash, true.

BUT: you are raising the value of the pickup on the used market, whis is a selling point FOR teh company you don´t want to support. It drives the used prices up, giving the impression that the pickups are overall more desirable new OR used, and therby still damages other, less shady competitors while indirectly putting money in the boycotted company´s hands after all.

:werd:

 

[Jessie's ghost]

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"Dey Took er Jobs" .... then turning around and buying a chinese VCR, for example

There probably weren't any U.S.-made VCR's by then, anyway. Kind of like saying I'm a hypocrite for not buying an American-made toaster… there aren't any.

 

[marvelous_seven]

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Business practices of some companies might make some people avoid their products,IMO that's a fact.
Evan has points and so everyone. I personally care what kind of attitude some company have if I were going to buy their product. If they have legit reasons to take some action then let them be. But to judge them just to make more people avoid their product is kinda lame to me. Then again,if the real situation and condition weren't legit enough to support these companies' reasons of what their action was then I could easily put them on the ignore list.
So far,Seymour Duncan is the best at handling forum rants and complaints,dispell the myth and explain the truth while keeping their trade secrets and internal things intact. I'm on their side for now. Never say never,though.

 

[IanBallard]

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I recently played a new Satch Ibby with the rail single and Mo Joe in the bridge. I WAS FLOORED by the Mo Joe. Nearly perfect in all respects as far as tone, feel, harmonics. Cleans were warm and round and the pick attack and response was unreal. I'm definitely considering buying one. For $62 on eBay, I think it's a steal.

The Patent/Trademark thing is unfortunate, but honestly, has it REALLY hurt business with Seymour Duncan? I mean, the double-creme thing is kind of a niche thing and only guys who want 70's Super Distortion guitars are really passionate about it. I prefer zebra bobbins anyway.

 

[IanBallard]

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You can't specifically order a double-cream Seymour Duncan humbucker in any format because of DiMarzio's trademark.

Could you order individual creme bobbins, unattached to a baseplate with the white/black wires unattached, as separate items from the Custom Shop? I'd be more than happy to assemble my own, if so.

 

[Guston7]

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Ian, I'm really happy w/the Mo' Joe. I've heard some horrible reviews of it around the net, & I'm convinced they (some) installed it 'flipped'. I tried it both ways, as I do w/most of their dual-res models, and this one does get way nasally w/mids when reversed. Big difference; much more so than the Fred.

 

[Mosher Zone]

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^^ To clarify, I wasn´t speaking about you or anyone else in particular with the quoted passage, but about society in general :beerchug:

"Dey Took er Jobs" .... then turning around and buying a chinese VCR, for example

Cool. :beerchug:

 

[Agileguy_101]

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"Me want cheaper, me no care how many people lose jobs or killed to make me have instant orgasm from getting product. Who cares that me make same product 6 months ago and now made China by company that stole idea" :smack:

Ooga Booga

Buy Used Gear, Everyone Reaps Assets

 

[MetalManiac]

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[Jessie's ghost]

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^ :haha:

 

[IanBallard]

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Ian, I'm really happy w/the Mo' Joe. I've heard some horrible reviews of it around the net, & I'm convinced they (some) installed it 'flipped'. I tried it both ways, as I do w/most of their dual-res models, and this one does get way nasally w/mids when reversed. Big difference; much more so than the Fred.

Well, they probably suck and couldn't play "Mary had a little lamb" if they had a gun to their heads. :firing:

 

[Guston7]

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Well, I can play it, but I sure can't sell it the way Stevie did.

 

[Eric Dahlberg]

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Guys, why not just start an e-mail writing campaign where we all write to Dimarzio and tell them that this double cream thing makes them look like ****** bags and is costing them business? Nearly all the Dimarzio pickups sold at my shop are black, anyway, so I don't think it would hurt them much to take the high road and give up the trademark.

As others have said, this silent boycott has not been effective, as proven by the fact that Dimarzio's trademark is still in place.

 

[LtKojak]

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this silent boycott has not been effective, as proven by the fact that Dimarzio's trademark is still in place.

And it's been renewed! Larry won't ever give up the trademark because it's not about the money, but about the POWER.

Even if you write to'em... what are wanna say? Give up your trademark so I can buy Duncans? Somehow I don't think is going to work... :naughty:

Anyway, the TM is valid in the US ONLY. You can ask any p'up company outside the US for double cream without any legal problem.

 

[Zerberus]

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Buy Used Gear, Everyone Reaps Assets

See my other posts for my standpoint on this

And it's been renewed! Larry won't ever give up the trademark because it's not about the money, but about the POWER.
...

I think that this is incorrect. Unlike patents which expire afrer 20 years, trademarks NEVER expire. Therefore, they do not have to be renewed, but simply run until the company gives them up of their own accord or goes out of business.

Examples of AFAIK currently active patents in Music, these can not be used by any other company without the trademark holder´s permission, which often costs money, for a period of 20 years since approval:

Buzz Feiten
True Temperament
Fanned Frets
Triple Shots
Schaller Hannes Bridge
Tom Anderson´s neck mounting system

Examples of Patents in music which have expired and can now be used by anybody:
Synchronized Tremolo (Fender)
Double locking Tremolo (aka. Floyd Rose)
Cam operated Tremolo (aka. Kahler Flat Mount /Flyer)
Cascading gain stages
Channel switching

Examples of trademarks. These can effectively NEVER be used by any other company without the trademark holder´s permission, which often costs money IF permission is given at all.

Gibson
Fender
Jackson
Charvel
Ibanez
Seymour Duncan
Paul Reed Smith
Monster
Tom Anderson
Lipstick Tube Pickups
Double Cream Humbuckers.

Seeing it written out like that I can´t help but notice 2 entries in the last set that seem to be playing "one of these things is not like the other", i appear to have inadvertently created the first visual aid for this discussion :chairfall

Could you order individual creme bobbins, unattached to a baseplate with the white/black wires unattached, as separate items from the Custom Shop? I'd be more than happy to assemble my own, if so.

My guess is no...

BUT, I just got an Idea..... hehehehemuahahaha!!!

You can probably buy a set of unwound bobbins in any color of the rainbow and a baseplate and send then in to the Duncan CS to be "rewound". Costs IIRC as much as a production pickup + shipping and the 5 bucks for bobbins and plate

 

[IanBallard]

Re: I won't buy a Dimarzio...

My guess is no...

BUT, I just got an Idea..... hehehehemuahahaha!!!

You can probably buy a set of unwound bobbins in any color of the rainbow and a baseplate and send then in to the Duncan CS to be "rewound". Costs IIRC as much as a production pickup + shipping and the 5 bucks for bobbins and plate

That... or you could buy a used zebra and a reverse zebra pup and combine the creme coils...if it REALLY means that much to you.

Personally, they just make guitars look like "70's dudes" guitars. I'm not fond of the look myself. MAAAYYYBE if I had an HSS Strat with two creme singles, would I be interested in putting a double creme in the bridge.

 

[orpheo]

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I also don't understand the entire 'war' going on. sorry, 'flame war'. The only pickup I want to be double cream is the superdistortion, nothing else. its a history-thing I guess. I associate the superD with double cream and vice versa, so why 'mess' with that? a JB double cream would make no sense to me at all.