Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

[Closed Eye]

What's the differance between the Ibanez Edge and the Floyd Rose?

I would think, conceptually, they'd both pretty much be the same thing: Floating Tremolo systems. Right? Or am I wrong?

Also, what are the advantages of a Floyd over the Edge and vice versa?

Oh, and I'm talking about the newer Ibanez Edge Tremolo (The II's I think) because I'm considering buying an RG with one installed.

Thanks for the time, help, look.

 

[Woodcutter]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

I think I've heard that the origanl flyods are made of better material and they have better sustain and tone. I've never owned one so this is just things i think i remember hearing people say.

 

[JacksonMIA]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

Are you talking about an original floyd rose or a licensed (or both)? The OFR is made of much better material than it's licensed cousins making it more durable and helping it hold the strings in tune better. I've never found anything that will handle the abuse an OFR will.

I'm not too familiar with the Edge Tremelo, but I think, conceptually, it is the same. They just use a slightly different means to accomplish it. Not a copy, but I'd put it in the same class.

 

[marty_the_westie]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

I had a lengthy discussion with the owner of my local guitar shop about this very same topic. Basically, in his 15 years experience in owning a shop, he feels that any Floyd Rose copy will basically do the same thing. They all stay in tune very well and are sturdy enough for normal applications. However, if you plan on doing crazy Steve Vai kind of stuff like holding the guitar by just the bar or bouncing the guitar up and down like a basketball with the bar, only an official Floyd is sturdy enough to handle that kind of abuse. With all the newer versions of licenced Floyds out there today, and all the improvements that they have made, most will find that a licenced one will do the trick just fine.

 

[Breaking the law]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

I had a lengthy discussion with the owner of my local guitar shop about this very same topic. Basically, in his 15 years experience in owning a shop, he feels that any Floyd Rose copy will basically do the same thing. They all stay in tune very well and are sturdy enough for normal applications. However, if you plan on doing crazy Steve Vai kind of stuff like holding the guitar by just the bar or bouncing the guitar up and down like a basketball with the bar, only an official Floyd is sturdy enough to handle that kind of abuse. With all the newer versions of licenced Floyds out there today, and all the improvements that they have made, most will find that a licenced one will do the trick just fine.

Umm.. Doesn't Steve Vai use the Ibanez tremolos? :33:

 

[ankalar]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

The Edge, Lo-Pro Edge, and Edge Pro are excellent tremolos. I don't want to say better than an Original Floyd Rose, but I can't say they're worse either. Any Edge with a Roman numeral after it is going to be not as good as an OFR, neither will a TRS trem. The newer Edges (Edge Pro II, Edge III, etc.) are made out of a mystery metal and have been known for poor tuning stability.

Basically, I wouldn't buy any Ibanez unless it was made in Japan (or I suppose in the US, but those are rare). A Korean-made Ibanez would be great for a beginner, but don't you think you deserve better than that?

What guitar were you looking at and for how much?

 

[marty_the_westie]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

No kidding. But he does use and Edge Pro, which is Ibanez's version of their top of the line locking trem. They only put it on their Jem's and JS models, which again means that only an official Floyd or a company's top of the line trem can handle real hard abuse. Ibanez, Jackson, Esp, all put quality trems on their highest end stuff, which is obviously better than their lower models. But, unless your really going crazy with your trem, a lower model should work fine.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

An OFR and the Ibanez Edge / Lo Pro Edge are comparable...the quality is similar, the response is a bit different as well as the tone, I personally hate teh Ibanez arm but others love it.... Other than that, there´s no real reason to prefer either one or the other (except ears and hands, of course).

As Ankalar stated, the Newer Ibanez trems (Edge II, Lop pro edge II) suck donkey balls in comparison

 

[Seraphial]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

Check out this thread on Harmony Ccentral

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=963066

Quite interesting info....

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

There´s some misinformation in that one, though....

1. Both the OFR and THe Schaller are available with 32 or 42 mm blocks.

2. The Floyd Rose II was always the same as the Schaller, the Floyd Rose III was the single locking variant.

3. I disagree with this

On a factory Floyd, the saddles are set so that the bridge and fretboard radiuses match when the bridge is LEVEL... But what he has level in this pick are the CLAMPS, whose position will change as soon as you use the fine tuner.... The locked-down part in front is the important part, and the position of all of these is now off, how far dependson where the saddle intonates correctly... ANd have fun getting the guitar to play evenly across the fretboard... I´m not saying it doesn´t work, it obviously does for him and his setup / style, but I would NEVER let a guitar go back to a customer with the floyd sitting at that kind of angle

 

[vinterland]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

Agreed with zerb... that angle is a no no with floyds. But Maybe, that guy just likes for people to get mad at his angled floyd and thats why he posts it there.

 

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

ahahahah ****ING CRAP.

 

[Mephis]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

Whats wrong with having the back of a floyd sitting a little lower than the front? It made my strings feel stiffer and the guitar played better, when I tried it. (And I see what you mean, the string isnt setting in the saddle, its sitting on the front on the string retainer. On mine the saddle sits high and I dont have that issue for some reason, the strings still stay very tight down against the saddle.)

I guess im not at that much of an angle tho anyway.

And guess what? I have a licensed floyd, and as long as the tempture never changes (and my metal pick dont get hungry for the stings) it'll stay in tune, weeks, months, as long as the strings are streched.


I've never used an OFR or an ibanez trem, but everyone says the OFR is better, so im guessing the ibanez edge trem is prolly better in actuality.

 

[Metalman_666]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

The way I see it... if Vai and Satriani can use the Ibanez trems, and Tom Morello only uses them as opposed to Floyds, they must be good enough.

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

I just want the trem bar in my licenced Floyd to stop wobbling...even when it's screwed all the way in.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

Whats wrong with having the back of a floyd sitting a little lower than the front? It made my strings feel stiffer and the guitar played better, when I tried it. (And I see what you mean, the string isnt setting in the saddle, its sitting on the front on the string retainer. On mine the saddle sits high and I dont have that issue for some reason, the strings still stay very tight down against the saddle.)

I´m not sure you understood my post...the Saddle is in teh front and the retainer is what you lock the string into, and the saddles on a factory Floyd are ground / swhimmed to match teh fretboard´s radius when the plate is flat... When you angle the plate, you change that radius, more or less randomly depending on intonation setting...

Again it may work for some, but that´s not the way I´d recommend for low action without buzzing

..... I've never used an OFR or an ibanez trem, but everyone says the OFR is better, so im guessing the ibanez edge trem is prolly better in actuality.

???? What´s your reasoning behind this?? :smack:

I just want the trem bar in my licenced Floyd to stop wobbling...even when it's screwed all the way in.

Buy an OFR arm from Stew-mac and replace the POS import arm and insert, problem solved

 

[rinse_master]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

And guess what? I have a licensed floyd, and as long as the tempture never changes (and my metal pick dont get hungry for the stings) it'll stay in tune, weeks, months, as long as the strings are streched.

My Ibanez 7 String has a licensed Floyd (not sure what one but the guitar is MIJ) That guitar had the same strings on it for about 2 years before I blocked it, stayed in tune very well, only needed a few tweaks on the fine tuners. :saeek:

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

2 year old strings...yuck.

 

[rinse_master]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

2 year old strings...yuck.

Yeah, It had been neglected for a bit, although they weren't that bad, only the plain strings, they have long since been changed though.

 

[Closed Eye]

Re: Ibanez Edge Tremolo vs. Floyd Rose/FR Licensed

The Edge, Lo-Pro Edge, and Edge Pro are excellent tremolos. I don't want to say better than an Original Floyd Rose, but I can't say they're worse either. Any Edge with a Roman numeral after it is going to be not as good as an OFR, neither will a TRS trem. The newer Edges (Edge Pro II, Edge III, etc.) are made out of a mystery metal and have been known for poor tuning stability.

Basically, I wouldn't buy any Ibanez unless it was made in Japan (or I suppose in the US, but those are rare). A Korean-made Ibanez would be great for a beginner, but don't you think you deserve better than that?

What guitar were you looking at and for how much?

Great information...thanks! and thanks to the rest of you guys too. I had no idea this was such a topic of discussion.

Anyway, I do think I deserve better than a Korean made Ibanez "great for a beginner", but I've sold for most of my guitars to pay for a new true authentic honest to goodness green 2000 Les Paul Studio (not taken out of the shop yet...damn layaway).

I'm looking for a companion plucker to round out my current single guitar collection.

This next guitar may be an Ibanez RG320FM in Transparent Lavender (although it looks black to me) with, correction, an Ibanez Edge III tremolo. I've always kind of liked Ibanez for one reason or another and I figure this is a good way to get into that.

Any reviews? I've played it unplugged and w/out the Edge bar on so I never really got to open it up. It was good enough, but still not plugged in, and I haven't really heard much good or bad about the guitar, so I don't know what to think.

Linky: http://ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=RG320FM&color=1

Again, thanks for the help!