Ibanez S wiring challenge

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I have an Ibanez S470 that I have been trying to set up as a shred guitar. I've never found a middle pickup that I like, either by itself or combined with the split tones of the 2 humbuckers, so I simply disconnected the middle pickup. I now like the 2 and 4 position split humbucker tones much better (by themselves), but the middle (3rd) position is a dead position.

Right now I have; Bridge, Bridge split, Dead spot, Neck split, Neck.

Does anyone know a way that I can modify it to run the 2 split humbuckers TOGETHER in the middle position? (still leaving the actual middle pickup out of the circuit)
 
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These standard Fender style 5 way switches don't work for the sort of wiring you want. You'll need to get either a super or mega switch to do what you want I'm afraid.
 
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The Ibanez switch that comes in that guitar is not a standard Fender type switch but an Ibanez Propriety switch made by Cort. They are wired diff internally. If it is the same switch that is used in the Ibanez HH config guitars then you can use position 2 & 4 for neck parallel and Bridge and neck split. And position 3 both humbuckers. But the pups would need to be 4 conductor.
 
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They are 4 conductor and I have the split neck and bridge coils wired to the 2 and 4 positions. I just can't figure out how to combine the two humbuckers for the middle position without messing something else up.
 
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Do you have stock pickups in there? If you have Duncans try this.
Lug 1 Duncan Black Bridge
Lug 2 & 7 connected together with a wire.
Lug 3 Duncan Black neck
Lug 4 Volume pot
Lug 5 Duncan Red and White bridge
Lug 6 Ground
Lug 7 Duncan red neck
Lug 8 Duncan white neck
Green and bare as usual would go to Ground.

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If it is the stock pups
then use this
 

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Re: Ibanez S wiring challenge

Jocelyn said:
The Ibanez switch that comes in that guitar is not a standard Fender type switch but an Ibanez Propriety switch made by Cort. They are wired diff internally. If it is the same switch that is used in the Ibanez HH config guitars then you can use position 2 & 4 for neck parallel and Bridge and neck split. And position 3 both humbuckers. But the pups would need to be 4 conductor.
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I don't think you are understanding what the OP is talking about. They have an S470, which is a H-S-H guitar with an import five way, Fender style switch. It won't have the Cortek 3PS1SC5 switch, which comes in "x20" H-H series RG and S guitars. They could order one through their local Ibanez dealer (I've bought two of them myself for two custom setups), but what they want to do won' happen with the stock switch found in the S470.
 
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He understood just fine and gave the right answer.

Standard size switches, be it 5 way, super switch, even the PCB super switch Ibanez uses in some guitars, WILL NOT FIT in an S series control route. So unless he wants to carve up the guitar, the options and wiring shown above is the way to go.
 
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RayBarbeeMusic said:
He understood just fine and gave the right answer.

Standard size switches, be it 5 way, super switch, even the PCB super switch Ibanez uses in some guitars, WILL NOT FIT in an S series control route. So unless he wants to carve up the guitar, the options and wiring shown above is the way to go.
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No they didn't...

Those wiring diagrams are for a Cortek 3PS1SC5 switch, this switch only comes in H-H equipped Ibanez guitars. They are the same size and dimensions as a standard import strat style 5 way. It isn't the switch that comes in a H-S-H guitar like the OP has.

The switch the OP is showing in their first post is a YM-50 or derivative, a import 5 way strat style switch, and does fit in an S series, like the Cortek 3PS1SC5 switch used in those diagrams. Whilst on a basic visual inspection they look the same they are not...
 
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Well I stand corrected. :) I did mention in my first post it needs to be the same switch as in the Ibanez HH guitars.
 
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I've successfully put a Fender superswitch into an S route. I just trimmed the PCBs at the top of the switch flush, (the parts with no traces) and it'll go in there with the covers on.

My favorite H-H superswitch wiring is by ArtieToo from this thread https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?189263-wiring-dual-humbuckers-w-a-5-way-super-switch

There are lots of other options, but all positions in this one sound good if your pups are matched, and they all hum cancel.

HTH

A.
 
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Random query to the OP: have you tried any of the single coil sized humbuckers in the middle?
 
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I don't really care what we call the switch. It looks and works like the one I pictured in the first post. It looks like the one Jocelyn posted WORKS the same way. That is an interesting wiring schematic, but if I am reading it correctly I would be losing the split neck tone in the #2 position, and that is one of my favorite tones. I don't really want to go installing different superswitches. I just thought there might be a way of wiring it up the way I stated that was not obvious to me.
 
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I've tried Cruiser neck and bridge, an ssl-5, a texas special, and a fat 50's in there. I haven't found one that balanced with the humbuckers or sounded great combined with them in the 2 and 4 positions. I thought about trying one of the YJM pickups since its a shred guitar, but if they are made to run with 250k pots...
 
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Would that work? Lets see, in the 2 and 4 position the "jumper" wire would be running to a lug that was inactive (middle), but would the signal be able to go back through the other pickup's jumper wire and run it at the same time (in positions 2 and 4)? Or would the inactive switch position stop the signal at that point? I think it might work. I will try it today and see.
 
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Nope. Doesn't work. In the back of my mind, I thought I might have tried this before a while ago, and it wouldn't work for some reason.
Here's what happens:

If you simply jumper the 2 split coils to the middle pickup lug on the switch, the middle position IS the two split coils of both humbuckers running together, like I wanted. However, because the middle lug on the other side is still wired to ground, the 2 and 4 position are now grounded and it kills those 2 positions. No good.

If I remove the ground wire on the middle lug of the second half of the switch, then the 2 and 4 position are back on, but now the 1 and 5 position are running both a full humbucker and half a coil off the other humbucker which ruins the character of each humbucker individually.

I'm beginning to suspect it is a lost cause.

Going back to a dead position 3 for now. I can live without that for a while.
 
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These Ibby switches are wired a bit diff internally. That's what I was told sometime back.
 
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Well I've tried tat diagram of urs in my squier show master with 2 Seymour Duncan humbucker with 5 way switch but after I finished wiring my bridge pickup inner coil is working on bridge and neck position and both inner coils r working in 2nd 3rd and 4th position so plz help me to complete it...
 
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The wiring they were posting here was related specifically to that switch that comes in your S470, which works VERY DIFFERENTLY from the switch you can find in most of axes mounting blade switches.
If your Squier has a typical import switch, the attached wiring WILL NOT WORK. More or this, you couldn't achieve the combos you wanted by wiring it in any other way.
So, or you go for a typical set of combos (for a typical 5-way switch) or you buy a Cort switch equal to the one in your Ibanez to implement that wiring.
Even if they look the same (8 lugs in a row), they are completely differently wired inside so, a traditional 5-way isn't a substitute of an special Ibanez 5-way, neither the oposite.
 
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I don't understand what people aren't getting. the S470 did not come with the special 5 way from that diagram. It comes with a standard import strat style ym50 five way. Only the H-H guitars come with it. I've been through this myself, trust me its not the same switch.
 
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