If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
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Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
I REALLLY wish they WERE modern designs, but frankly, DiMarzio has more new pickup designs and more innovative ones.
Peavey Dual Wounds are REALLY good sounding and relatively advanced in design.
EMGS are just passives with alot of voicing in the preamp.
The money they make for selling 1970s technology for 200+ a set has to go SOMEWHERE and it sure ain't R&D.screamingdaisy said:
I REALLLY wish they WERE modern designs, but frankly, DiMarzio has more new pickup designs and more innovative ones.
Peavey Dual Wounds are REALLY good sounding and relatively advanced in design.
EMGS are just passives with alot of voicing in the preamp.
ex-250
Riffologist Extraordinaire
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
one of the things i think is interesting is how sure all these thrash bands use EMGs, but the guys in judas priest went from using stock gibsons and dimarzios (and the occasional duncan) to full time EMGs now. and they still sound great. they use pretty modern preamps too (rocktron pirahna i think?), and can still replicate their classic tones perfectly live. then again....this is tipton and downing....they simply kick ass
one of the things i think is interesting is how sure all these thrash bands use EMGs, but the guys in judas priest went from using stock gibsons and dimarzios (and the occasional duncan) to full time EMGs now. and they still sound great. they use pretty modern preamps too (rocktron pirahna i think?), and can still replicate their classic tones perfectly live. then again....this is tipton and downing....they simply kick ass
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
100% Personal Preference, you could ask the exact same question with Dimarzio or EMG....
In other words....
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Ex.: If EMG are abetter , why all these rockstars go with Dimarzio??????.................i mean like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, lots of this bands go with Dimarzio why?
Ex.: If Dimarzio are abetter , why all these rockstars go with Duncan??????.................i mean like Pantera, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Arch Enemy, Aerosmith, lots of this bands go with Duncan why?
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rombola said:
100% Personal Preference, you could ask the exact same question with Dimarzio or EMG....
In other words....
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Ex.: If EMG are abetter , why all these rockstars go with Dimarzio??????.................i mean like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, lots of this bands go with Dimarzio why?
Ex.: If Dimarzio are abetter , why all these rockstars go with Duncan??????.................i mean like Pantera, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Arch Enemy, Aerosmith, lots of this bands go with Duncan why?
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Stringmachine
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Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
It depends on what you are after soundwise. I got a Les Paul with SD Antiquity, and I am planing to put in a set of EMG 81/85 in the other. Different pup's for different types of music, as I cant get that heavy $hit down with the Antiquty's.
It depends on what you are after soundwise. I got a Les Paul with SD Antiquity, and I am planing to put in a set of EMG 81/85 in the other. Different pup's for different types of music, as I cant get that heavy $hit down with the Antiquty's.
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Breogan
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Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
Completely agreed. I think the mistake is in the beguining of the thread: "If Duncans are beter...".
That's not true, they are just different.
Zerberus said:
Completely agreed. I think the mistake is in the beguining of the thread: "If Duncans are beter...".
That's not true, they are just different.
fenderiarhs
Active member
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
Ever heard the words "marketing" and "endorsement" ????
Ever heard the words "marketing" and "endorsement" ????
wixedmords
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Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
Better has nothing to do with it. They are trying to achieve the EMG sound.
People get to brand focused. The key is the overall sound, not the brand.
EMG's give you a certain sound, but they don't do a wide range of sounds as some other pickups might.
rombola said:
Better has nothing to do with it. They are trying to achieve the EMG sound.
People get to brand focused. The key is the overall sound, not the brand.
EMG's give you a certain sound, but they don't do a wide range of sounds as some other pickups might.
MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
The KH-21 set retails for over $200? Well, take two EMG 81s that retail for $80 a pop, a new pickguard, new knobs, and pay someone the labor to wire it all up... and I don't see see much of a markup for teh Kirk Hammet name at all.
Point? While I'm sure some of these artists with endorsements do recieve some kick backs, I'm sure they are very small in comparison to what they already make in terms of a living. I hardly believe that a few free pickups and small endorsement checks are going to completely dictate an artists, especially one with the success of Kirk Hammet, sound and tone. Can't we all understand that there is no one "best" pickup manufacturer, and that every make of model of pickup is going to hold certain qualities that some love and some don't? It's really not a tough concept to grasp.
TheGZeus said:
The KH-21 set retails for over $200? Well, take two EMG 81s that retail for $80 a pop, a new pickguard, new knobs, and pay someone the labor to wire it all up... and I don't see see much of a markup for teh Kirk Hammet name at all.
Point? While I'm sure some of these artists with endorsements do recieve some kick backs, I'm sure they are very small in comparison to what they already make in terms of a living. I hardly believe that a few free pickups and small endorsement checks are going to completely dictate an artists, especially one with the success of Kirk Hammet, sound and tone. Can't we all understand that there is no one "best" pickup manufacturer, and that every make of model of pickup is going to hold certain qualities that some love and some don't? It's really not a tough concept to grasp.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
Mike, that's fantastic!
For me it has been pretty easy to differentiate what sounds come from which companys.
Duncans---Best in vintage, and high ouput setups
Antiquities and the JB come to mind.
Dimarzio---Best for the "ahhh' sound and medium output.
(I won't buy them simply for the business practices though)
EMG's-----Best for even sounding response in an active pup.
Each company has their niche.
Luke
MikeS said:
Mike, that's fantastic!
For me it has been pretty easy to differentiate what sounds come from which companys.
Duncans---Best in vintage, and high ouput setups
Antiquities and the JB come to mind.
Dimarzio---Best for the "ahhh' sound and medium output.
(I won't buy them simply for the business practices though)
EMG's-----Best for even sounding response in an active pup.
Each company has their niche.
Luke
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
No knock on EMGs, they're great pups.
But a lot of artists use them because everyone else does. The music industry has its lemmings no doubt about it.
I don't know if they're neceassirly clearer under high gain, but when a lot of these big named bands play live they have TONS of stuff for their guitar singal to go through before it reaches the speakers and your ear. This results in signal degradation. EMGs (and actives in general), retain the clarity and signal as they have an active pre-amp that pushes it through.
In the studio, they're probably not going through as much stuff, and even if they are, engineers etc., can clear up the signal, multi track the guitars etc., so that "push" from actives isn't as needed.
Again, not sayinjg they're better or worse than Duncans. Only your ear can tell you that. I think Duncans have serious mojo though.
No knock on EMGs, they're great pups.
But a lot of artists use them because everyone else does. The music industry has its lemmings no doubt about it.
I don't know if they're neceassirly clearer under high gain, but when a lot of these big named bands play live they have TONS of stuff for their guitar singal to go through before it reaches the speakers and your ear. This results in signal degradation. EMGs (and actives in general), retain the clarity and signal as they have an active pre-amp that pushes it through.
In the studio, they're probably not going through as much stuff, and even if they are, engineers etc., can clear up the signal, multi track the guitars etc., so that "push" from actives isn't as needed.
Again, not sayinjg they're better or worse than Duncans. Only your ear can tell you that. I think Duncans have serious mojo though.
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
Oh Joy another EMG thread where EMGs are sterile blah blah blah....
Don't some of you guys get tired of bashing EMGs just because YOU can't find a use for them??
I have guitars with Duncans, Dimarzios, and EMGs....they all have their place for different tones....and NONE of them are sterile. Actually sterile is a dumb word to describe them anyway....EMGs are lively and kick back very much and they certainly perform the function set before them.
Oh Joy another EMG thread where EMGs are sterile blah blah blah....
Don't some of you guys get tired of bashing EMGs just because YOU can't find a use for them??
I have guitars with Duncans, Dimarzios, and EMGs....they all have their place for different tones....and NONE of them are sterile. Actually sterile is a dumb word to describe them anyway....EMGs are lively and kick back very much and they certainly perform the function set before them.
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Skarekrough
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Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
I may have alot of bad things to say about EMG but the fact of the matter is that for live situations they're killer pickups. Not having to deal with hum in situations that change every day and the power and grounding being weird makes EMGs a great pick.
It's just one less thing you have to deal with when everything else is going wrong, as it has a tendency to do.
I may have alot of bad things to say about EMG but the fact of the matter is that for live situations they're killer pickups. Not having to deal with hum in situations that change every day and the power and grounding being weird makes EMGs a great pick.
It's just one less thing you have to deal with when everything else is going wrong, as it has a tendency to do.
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
I'm talking about EMG.
They have a silly markup, nad haven't trpuly come out with nything new since the 1970s.
Just altering a couple windings and a couple values in the preamps on bass pickups and re-naming them, and putting existing pickups under different covers.
NO real R&D, so their price is totally unjustifiable.
I'm not talking about the endorsees.MikeS said:
I'm talking about EMG.
They have a silly markup, nad haven't trpuly come out with nything new since the 1970s.
Just altering a couple windings and a couple values in the preamps on bass pickups and re-naming them, and putting existing pickups under different covers.
NO real R&D, so their price is totally unjustifiable.
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
EMGs retain highs and lows because they boost them in the preamp.
Once you go through ONE device, THAT DEVICE controls what the next one 'sees' and the origins of the signal are irrelevant.
Once you hit ONE pedal, you're low-impedence anyway.Jeff5 said:No knock on EMGs, they're great pups.
But a lot of artists use them because everyone else does. The music industry has its lemmings no doubt about it.
I don't know if they're neceassirly clearer under high gain, but when a lot of these big named bands play live they have TONS of stuff for their guitar singal to go through before it reaches the speakers and your ear. This results in signal degradation. EMGs (and actives in general), retain the clarity and signal as they have an active pre-amp that pushes it through.
In the studio, they're probably not going through as much stuff, and even if they are, engineers etc., can clear up the signal, multi track the guitars etc., so that "push" from actives isn't as needed.
Again, not sayinjg they're better or worse than Duncans. Only your ear can tell you that. I think Duncans have serious mojo though.
EMGs retain highs and lows because they boost them in the preamp.
Once you go through ONE device, THAT DEVICE controls what the next one 'sees' and the origins of the signal are irrelevant.
MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
You must have one heck of an inside scoop on EMG if you know what their markup is and how much R&D they've done in the last thirty years. The simple explaination to their prices could be summed up in a simple little economics lesson titled "Supply and Demand."
TheGZeus said:
You must have one heck of an inside scoop on EMG if you know what their markup is and how much R&D they've done in the last thirty years. The simple explaination to their prices could be summed up in a simple little economics lesson titled "Supply and Demand."
Re: If duncans are abetter , why all these rockstars go with EMG??????
Exactly....who wouldn't charge what they could for a particular product if the demand is high?? It would be bad business to do otherwise.....
You want to complain about prices...Duncan isn't that much cheaper....it's metal plate, plastic and wires and you get no pots either.
And talk about innovation...please...you're on a Seymour Duncan board for god's sake. I love their pickups but their humbucker line leaves alot to be desired as far as different EQs and outputs.
MikeS said:
Exactly....who wouldn't charge what they could for a particular product if the demand is high?? It would be bad business to do otherwise.....
You want to complain about prices...Duncan isn't that much cheaper....it's metal plate, plastic and wires and you get no pots either.
And talk about innovation...please...you're on a Seymour Duncan board for god's sake. I love their pickups but their humbucker line leaves alot to be desired as far as different EQs and outputs.
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