if i flip my '59n
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Lewguitar
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Re: if i flip my '59n
No phase problems. Lots of players over the years have turned a neck humbucker around in an attempt to get a brighter, less woofy tone from an alnico 5 humbucker. Switching to alnico 2 will usually do the same thing for me: soften the bass response and clear things up a little.
But Wes Montgomery did the rotation you're talking about...Peter Green...Brent Mason on his Valley Arts Tele has the neck mini bucker turned around.
It does change the tone slightly, but I prefer the tone with the poles pointing towards the neck and just using an alnico 2 pickup: like the Seth Lover.
Lew
No phase problems. Lots of players over the years have turned a neck humbucker around in an attempt to get a brighter, less woofy tone from an alnico 5 humbucker. Switching to alnico 2 will usually do the same thing for me: soften the bass response and clear things up a little.
But Wes Montgomery did the rotation you're talking about...Peter Green...Brent Mason on his Valley Arts Tele has the neck mini bucker turned around.
It does change the tone slightly, but I prefer the tone with the poles pointing towards the neck and just using an alnico 2 pickup: like the Seth Lover.
Lew
Nightburst
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Re: if i flip my '59n
I have done that, liked the tamed woofiness and it seemed to pair up with the JB perfectly. But I did notice some drawbacks.
The low E sounded weak and undefined while all the other strings sounded good. The tone did change and was a little less full.
Anybody knows what was going on here?
Davey, please let us know if you like it and if you ran into the same problem.
I have done that, liked the tamed woofiness and it seemed to pair up with the JB perfectly. But I did notice some drawbacks.
The low E sounded weak and undefined while all the other strings sounded good. The tone did change and was a little less full.
Anybody knows what was going on here?
Davey, please let us know if you like it and if you ran into the same problem.
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Lewguitar
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Re: if i flip my '59n
Sure...same thing that makes a 24 fret PRS sound differant from a 22 fret PRS: When you move the neck pickup closer to the bridge pickup the neck pickup gets less woofy, but loses that classic and deeper sounding Les Paul neck pickup tone.
Turning a neck pickup around so that the adjustable poles are closer to the bridge does something similar.
Anyone who says they can't hear the difference....well...I guess I'm just sorry they can't hear the difference. :smack: Many acomplished players CAN hear a difference.
Lew
Nightburst said:
Sure...same thing that makes a 24 fret PRS sound differant from a 22 fret PRS: When you move the neck pickup closer to the bridge pickup the neck pickup gets less woofy, but loses that classic and deeper sounding Les Paul neck pickup tone.
Turning a neck pickup around so that the adjustable poles are closer to the bridge does something similar.
Anyone who says they can't hear the difference....well...I guess I'm just sorry they can't hear the difference. :smack: Many acomplished players CAN hear a difference.
Lew
Nightburst
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Re: if i flip my '59n
I think I misread the post. I thought he was talking about flipping the '59n in the neck slot. Sorry. Thanks for your explanation Lew.
I think I misread the post. I thought he was talking about flipping the '59n in the neck slot. Sorry. Thanks for your explanation Lew.
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Lewguitar
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Re: if i flip my '59n
He is...I think!
Maybe not...now I'm confused.
Flipping the neck 59n so that the adjustable poles are closer to the bridge by about 1" does make a small difference in the pickup's tone. The result is just a little less "woof"...as you pointed out. Lew
Nightburst said:
He is...I think!
Maybe not...now I'm confused. Flipping the neck 59n so that the adjustable poles are closer to the bridge by about 1" does make a small difference in the pickup's tone. The result is just a little less "woof"...as you pointed out. Lew
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Lewguitar
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Boy...maybe I misread your post. The standard way is have the adjustable poles of the bridge BH face the bridge and the adjustable poles of the neck HB face the neck. Are you saying your guitar is NOT set up that way and want to turn the neck pickup around so the poles DO face the neck? That's the usual way...the way all stock guitars with dual HB's generally are shipped.
Now I'm confused...but I'm out of here for five days.
Bye!
Lew
Davey said:
Boy...maybe I misread your post. The standard way is have the adjustable poles of the bridge BH face the bridge and the adjustable poles of the neck HB face the neck. Are you saying your guitar is NOT set up that way and want to turn the neck pickup around so the poles DO face the neck? That's the usual way...the way all stock guitars with dual HB's generally are shipped.
Now I'm confused...but I'm out of here for five days.
Bye!
Lew
Davey
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Re: if i flip my '59n
yes, my guitar is not set up that way.. it's not stock hehe.
i wont get into detail about what i did to replace them, but the JB is assembeled so that the adjustable pole pieces face the bridge.. the '59 adjustable pole pieces also face the bridge. i dont know if the wires are long enough so i can flip it so that the adjustable poles face to the neck (my switch is near the pots (SG guitar)) i'll check it the next time i'll change the strings. i dont feel like flipping it now .. and this is prolly the reason the neck doesnt sound THAT bassy
yes, my guitar is not set up that way.. it's not stock hehe.
i wont get into detail about what i did to replace them, but the JB is assembeled so that the adjustable pole pieces face the bridge.. the '59 adjustable pole pieces also face the bridge. i dont know if the wires are long enough so i can flip it so that the adjustable poles face to the neck (my switch is near the pots (SG guitar)) i'll check it the next time i'll change the strings. i dont feel like flipping it now .. and this is prolly the reason the neck doesnt sound THAT bassy
Mac-P
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Re: if i flip my '59n
If you flip the neck pickup around so the adjustable screws are CLOSER to the neck (I think the term "facing" is confusing), the you will actually have MORE wire available since the the lead will be coming out of the treble side of the pickup.
For what it is worth, I like my pickups reversed as well: Neck pickup screws closer to the bridge, bridge pickup screws closer to the neck.
I like to minimize the extremes as much as posssible (tone down the bass of the neck and warm up the bridge).
That is just my taste though, and definitely not the norm....
Davey said:
If you flip the neck pickup around so the adjustable screws are CLOSER to the neck (I think the term "facing" is confusing), the you will actually have MORE wire available since the the lead will be coming out of the treble side of the pickup.
For what it is worth, I like my pickups reversed as well: Neck pickup screws closer to the bridge, bridge pickup screws closer to the neck.
I like to minimize the extremes as much as posssible (tone down the bass of the neck and warm up the bridge).
That is just my taste though, and definitely not the norm....
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TheArchitect
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Re: if i flip my '59n
Thats not correct. The Peter Green mod involves having the neck pup out of phase with the bridge through flipping the mag in one of the pups. You can achieve similar results by reversing the hot and ground on one of the pups as well. The point is having the 2 pups out of phase with each other, not having the 2 coils of the humbucker out of phase.
Hellion said:
Thats not correct. The Peter Green mod involves having the neck pup out of phase with the bridge through flipping the mag in one of the pups. You can achieve similar results by reversing the hot and ground on one of the pups as well. The point is having the 2 pups out of phase with each other, not having the 2 coils of the humbucker out of phase.
Hellion
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Re: if i flip my '59n
No...everything I've read about Green (and there's not all that much, relatively speaking) is that it's a modification within the pickup itself. Beside the point, though. The tech at SD has assured me that reversing the position of the pup in the slot will NOT affect tone of the pickup, although, the way it's wired to the switch might put it out of phase with the other pup.
TheArchitect said:
No...everything I've read about Green (and there's not all that much, relatively speaking) is that it's a modification within the pickup itself. Beside the point, though. The tech at SD has assured me that reversing the position of the pup in the slot will NOT affect tone of the pickup, although, the way it's wired to the switch might put it out of phase with the other pup.
