If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

[STRATDELUXER97]

You really need to....

The Jazz/59N in the neck with an A4
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The 59B/Custom A2 I'm using in my Love Rock is nothing short of excellent...I LOve these pickups!

I've said this before and here it comes again....More Harmonic content and nice note articulation...The pickups can clean up and chime nicely,but also growl with authority with gain...They aren't for everyone I know,but I'm sure getting along with em great in this guitar!

I have to keep thanking Bachtorock for these pickups! :beerchug:

 

[Fritz6]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Me and a friend of mine played my radiused double screw, A3 Custom/AIIpro hybrid thru his rig at a gig last saturday. Went with the A3 and AIIPro coil instead of the A5 and 59 coil to sweeten the highs and give a bit more mids. Worked pretty good!

Guitar was a basswood Ibanez rg550 with a different maple neck-rosewood board I slapped on it. 250K vol pot.

Sound was just as advertised: Sparkly PAF with more drive but no compression. Reminded me of the chorus to "Hear about it later."

Went thru a bunch of setting on his line six and would not muddy up or icepick. Nice balanced tone, definitely worth the effort. I think this thing would absolutely KILL in a Les Paul.

Just a word of caution tho, it's not a high output bucker. That underlying sweet fair warning tone sounds like a hybrid to me, but the explosiveness came from the marshall on meltdown and eddie's superhuman hands IMO.

If your looking for a balanced pup that'll let your guitar's natural tone come thru, drop 80-100 on ebay for a custom and a 59 or AIIPro and get two for the price of one. The Fair Warning vibe is a bonus!

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Me and a friend of mine played my radiused double screw, A3 Custom/AIIpro hybrid thru his rig at a gig last saturday. Went with the A3 and AIIPro coil instead of the A5 and 59 coil to sweeten the highs and give a bit more mids. Worked pretty good!

Guitar was a basswood Ibanez rg550 with a different maple neck-rosewood board I slapped on it. 250K vol pot.

Sound was just as advertised: Sparkly PAF with more drive but no compression. Reminded me of the chorus to "Hear about it later."

Went thru a bunch of setting on his line six and would not muddy up or icepick. Nice balanced tone, definitely worth the effort. I think this thing would absolutely KILL in a Les Paul.

Just a word of caution tho, it's not a high output bucker. That underlying sweet fair warning tone sounds like a hybrid to me, but the explosiveness came from the marshall on meltdown and eddie's superhuman hands IMO.

If your looking for a balanced pup that'll let your guitar's natural tone come thru, drop 80-100 on ebay for a custom and a 59 or AIIPro and get two for the price of one. The Fair Warning vibe is a bonus!

Great post and the Hybrids are great pickups and keepers for me! :beerchug:

 

[gripweed]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

I haven't tried the hybrid yet, but I may. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bit hot for my tastes though. Also the cost of buying two pickups to make one doesn't thrill me (although I've got a Demon on the way that I may try as a part of a hybrid.)

 

[Tux789]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

I haven't tried the hybrid yet, but I may. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bit hot for my tastes though. Also the cost of buying two pickups to make one doesn't thrill me (although I've got a Demon on the way that I may try as a part of a hybrid.)

well technically you can make 2 hybrids with the two original humbuckers you bought so there really isn't much of a cost issue

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

I haven't tried the hybrid yet, but I may. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a bit hot for my tastes though. Also the cost of buying two pickups to make one doesn't thrill me (although I've got a Demon on the way that I may try as a part of a hybrid.)

They aren't hot pickups but more like the best of both worlds between say a Custom and a 59 pickup....You pick the magnet and suit it to your tastes....You would see that you aren't dealing with a hot pickup,but rather a pickup with more balls,harmonics,and great note articulation..These aren't the attributes of a higher output or actual hotter pickup...It's something you'd have to try to see and hear really..Plus you could make 2 Hybrids and give one to a buddy to try in his guitar?

 

[PoorMan]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Got mine last night. I'm still building the guitars they are going in but should have one done in a week or 2.

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Got mine last night. I'm still building the guitars they are going in but should have one done in a week or 2.

Please let us other hybrid users know about your's and review them also..

 

[PoorMan]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Will be sure to give a full review. The first one is going in a replica of EVH's black and white strat I'm building (seems like the perfect pickup for that guitar). Can't wait to blast her through my JCM800!!! :beerchug:

Do you like the Custom at the screw coil or slug coil better? Perhaps there isn't much difference?

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Will be sure to give a full review. The first one is going in a replica of EVH's black and white strat I'm building (seems like the perfect pickup for that guitar). Can't wait to blast her through my JCM800!!! :beerchug:

Do you like the Custom at the screw coil or slug coil better? Perhaps there isn't much difference?

I don't hear a difference,but in a strat,you want the Custom slug coil if you are going to split the pickup..This gives you a 7k split instead of only 4k on the screw bobbin...If you aren't going to split the pickup,I don't feel there's much difference at all...The last 2 I Made are in my Love Rock LP and they are just setup for STD humbuckers.

 

[PoorMan]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Cool, I'm not into coil splitting so that works out fine.

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Cool, I'm not into coil splitting so that works out fine.

You'll have 2 very cool hybrids to work with or you could sell one to another forum buddy? Or let a buddy on the forums borrow it for reviews..:beerchug:

 

[BachToRock]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Do you like the Custom at the screw coil or slug coil better? Perhaps there isn't much difference?

If you are angling the pickup like in a Baretta, I prefer 59 Slug/Custom Screw, otherwise there is not a discernable difference unless you are coil tapping as John stated...

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

If you are angling the pickup like in a Baretta, I prefer 59 Slug/Custom Screw, otherwise there is not a discernable difference unless you are coil tapping as John stated...

Glad you agree with me buddy and that you got my back! :laugh2: :newangel:

 

[PoorMan]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

You'll have 2 very cool hybrids to work with or you could sell one to another forum buddy? Or let a buddy on the forums borrow it for reviews..:beerchug:

I like the sense of brotherhood in this forum. Yuse guys are cool. I'd love to share the wealth and lend or sell one to someone, but I have 2 guitars in progress that they are going in. Not only can I not lend these out, but I suspect I'll be in need of more myself!

I bought a soldering iron last weekend, so I'm going to try to start making them for myself and hopefully I can spread the love by helping other forum members in the future. Thanks to BachToRock for hooking me up in the meantime. You the man!

Not only that, but I plan to try my hand at winding pickups for 2006--we'll see...

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

For those concerned about cost on getting two pickups, there is a much cheaper and easier way to get a hybrid-type mismatch:

Take your high-ohm pickup and partially unwind one of the coils. Be sure to count the turns and a good rule of thumb formula for estimating the DC resistance is 600 turns = 500 ohms (0.5k).

If you have a multimeter handy, stop every once in a while, scrape some of the insulation off the coil wire with an Exacto knife (make sure you're doing this well away from the coil!) and take a reading.

Also be conservative in your removal. If you want to reduce a 14k pickup to, say, 11k, stop at about 12k, put it back together and in the guitar and try it out. It might turn out you like it at 12k (7k coil + 5k coil) better than you thought and while you can add winding back onto a coil, it's harder than just not removing it in the first place.

 

[PoorMan]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Shhhh...don't let my wife know...I'm trying to get 2 pickups at a time here! :newangel:

In this case doesn't the 59 have 42 wire and the Custom have 43? So that's slightly different than unwinding a Custom right? (Unless I'm mistaken.)

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

For those concerned about cost on getting two pickups, there is a much cheaper and easier way to get a hybrid-type mismatch:

Take your high-ohm pickup and partially unwind one of the coils. Be sure to count the turns and a good rule of thumb formula for estimating the DC resistance is 600 turns = 500 ohms (0.5k).

If you have a multimeter handy, stop every once in a while, scrape some of the insulation off the coil wire with an Exacto knife (make sure you're doing this well away from the coil!) and take a reading.

Also be conservative in your removal. If you want to reduce a 14k pickup to, say, 11k, stop at about 12k, put it back together and in the guitar and try it out. It might turn out you like it at 12k (7k coil + 5k coil) better than you thought and while you can add winding back onto a coil, it's harder than just not removing it in the first place.

This sounds pretty scary to most of the guys on the forums...Even with all of the electronic stuff I've done,I'd still not recommend doing this unless a guy were to send his pickup directly to you....Swapping bobbins and soldering 2 wires is pretty doable,but unwrapping bobbin wire is pretty scary and a great way to screw up an otherwise perfect pickup....:smack: :beerchug:

Just me,but I wouldn't do this...:wink:

 

[Fritz6]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Yup. Was curious so I took apart a junk jackson bucker a while back. Took the tape off that was on the coils and alot of the wire came with it.

High quality pups are prob different, but I can't imagine how they work with wire that thin. It's like copper hair! I think winding/unwinding coils is best left to the pro's.

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: If You Guys Haven't Tryed The "Hybrid" Yet?

Yup. Was curious so I took apart a junk jackson bucker a while back. Took the tape off that was on the coils and alot of the wire came with it.

High quality pups are prob different, but I can't imagine how they work with wire that thin. It's like copper hair! I think winding/unwinding coils is best left to the pro's.

It's just like the horror stories I've read about guys trying to push down or up on staggered single coil poles....Push up,push down and you risk breaking the winding that wraps around the polepieces...

Too risky! Better to make 2 Hybrids out of the 2 pickups and even then a guy needs to know what he's doing....I've made several and I had my own problem with one the other day when the plate ground wire lost it's good connection...The average guys on the forums wouldn't even attempt making the hybrid pickup even with pictures and instructions..:13: