I'm officially done buying gibsons new anyway.

[DavidRavenMoon]

Re: I'm officially done buying gibsons new anyway.

I guess I aint that sharp when it comes down to it. People want a true perfect guitar at that high price, and they should. But then in the next breath complain about a machine making the guitar and ask why so much? Then in comes the human element to justify the high cost, and people make mistakes. You can get a computer to stamp widgets in China all day. You add in the combination of high production semi custom guitars, mistakes will occur. I just dont want to see American workers not have their jobs. As Dave would say, I do root for the home team. Sorry for the grief. And maybe I could be wrong, but the BEST Gibson is still the BEST GUITAR. The right ones are awesome, and IMO you can talk PRS and all that, Alex Lifeson was endorsing PRS and said, the Great Les Pauls sound the frickin best, because they do. You get a great one and take care of it, it may outlive you

Ok, but that’s over simplifying it. Gibson uses CNC routers to carve bodies and necks. So does Fender. So does PRS, so did Parker, and so on. But there’s still a lot of hand work done. Using a CNC isn’t that much different from me using a router and templates. Only it’s better for repeatability.

But let’s look at Epiphone. Gibson has its own factory in China. They probably use the same machines, same wood, etc. some models use the same pickups. But many have cheaper hardware. But still, you can get a nice Epi Les Paul for under a grand. They play like the “real thing.” So why should a Gibson LP be $6,000?

Look at a US made Fender or PRS. You can get them for a lot less. Henry was being greedy. Gibson actually sold a Zakk Wylde LP for about $12,000! That’s nuts.

Meanwhile the quality of the US made Gibsons wasn’t very good. The Epiphones were often made better. That’s nuts too. Squires aren’t bad, but you know a real Fender when you play one.

These days you can get a high quality guitar for $1,200. And without the flaws with new Gibsons.

Hopefully the new owners will turn things around.


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[Ben1962]

Re: I'm officially done buying gibsons new anyway.

Ok, but that’s over simplifying it. Gibson uses CNC routers to carve bodies and necks. So does Fender. So does PRS, so did Parker, and so on. But there’s still a lot of hand work done. Using a CNC isn’t that much different from me using a router and templates. Only it’s better for repeatability.

But let’s look at Epiphone. Gibson has its own factory in China. They probably use the same machines, same wood, etc. some models use the same pickups. But many have cheaper hardware. But still, you can get a nice Epi Les Paul for under a grand. They play like the “real thing.” So why should a Gibson LP be $6,000?

Look at a US made Fender or PRS. You can get them for a lot less. Henry was being greedy. Gibson actually sold a Zakk Wylde LP for about $12,000! That’s nuts.

Meanwhile the quality of the US made Gibsons wasn’t very good. The Epiphones were often made better. That’s nuts too. Squires aren’t bad, but you know a real Fender when you play one.

These days you can get a high quality guitar for $1,200. And without the flaws with new Gibsons.

Hopefully the new owners will turn things around.


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The fair comparison to a $1200 PRS isnt the $3200 Standard. A PRS 10 top cost MORE than a comparable LP. A tribute from Gibson is around the same as an S2. An American made ESP costs about $3600. Maybe you can argue the competition is better in quality, but compare apples to apples. BTW, I read all these great things about the SEs and mine was the biggest POS I have yet to own. Paul always gets a pass tho, right?

 

[trevorus]

Re: I'm officially done buying gibsons new anyway.

Working at a place that dealt Gibson recently, and there were a ton of guitars that came in with quite major finish flaws, other flaws that guitars in their price range should never be shipped with.

 

[texred]

Re: I'm officially done buying gibsons new anyway.

Working at a place that dealt Gibson recently, and there were a ton of guitars that came in with quite major finish flaws, other flaws that guitars in their price range should never be shipped with.

You're fkn hysterical! (don't worry I happen to be female). I read in Rolling Stone that it's really no big deal (well it was if they were producing chit I wouldn't know all I can do to to afford Epi LP P90s). The article said they're not going out of business, just restructuring (good thing) and quit making all other crap and finally make guitars. I'm not worried. I wonder when they put out the "new and improved" if the gettin will be good, or 10K.