I'm Sorry Guys

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I openly declare myself a guitar tech. I'm the front-line tech for all my guitars. When something goes wrong or otherwise doesn't seem right, I beat on it with a socket wrench to keep the guitar stable until I can get it to a more qualified luthier.
 
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I openly declare myself a guitar tech. I'm the front-line tech for all my guitars. When something goes wrong or otherwise doesn't seem right, I beat on it with a socket wrench to keep the guitar stable until I can get it to a more qualified luthier.

Hmmm... with that logic, I can finally call myself a medical doctor!
 
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I openly declare myself a guitar tech. I'm the front-line tech for all my guitars. When something goes wrong or otherwise doesn't seem right, I beat on it with a socket wrench to keep the guitar stable until I can get it to a more qualified luthier.

That explains all the dents in people´s guitars these days, must be some new fangled technique us old fogies dunno nuttin´ ´bout :laugh2::beerchug:
 
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Hey, there's levels of "guitar techs" and "luthiers." Sorry to burst anyone's bubble on that. There's no certification requirement to call yourself either.

There's plenty of guitar techs out there that I wouldn't trust to do a fret level & crown or a refret, but are perfectly competant to do a setup (truss rod, intonation, action, etc). And there's guitar tech's that do $150 refret jobs and techs that do $350 refret jobs - both of them may get my business, but I might lean towards the more skilled tech to do my better guitars.

And luthiers? Sorry, but assembling Warmoth parts and beating on them with a sock full of quarters does not make you a luthier. Neither does working a pin router at the Fender Custom Shop. But again, there's no certification process for luthiers.
 
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Hey, there's levels of "guitar techs" and "luthiers." Sorry to burst anyone's bubble on that. There's no certification requirement to call yourself either.

There's plenty of guitar techs out there that I wouldn't trust to do a fret level & crown or a refret, but are perfectly competant to do a setup (truss rod, intonation, action, etc). And there's guitar tech's that do $150 refret jobs and techs that do $350 refret jobs - both of them may get my business, but I might lean towards the more skilled tech to do my better guitars.

And luthiers? Sorry, but assembling Warmoth parts and beating on them with a sock full of quarters does not make you a luthier. Neither does working a pin router at the Fender Custom Shop. But again, there's no certification process for luthiers.

Actually, outside of the us, particularly in Europe, there is a very involved certification process for luthiers and master luthiers. Most "techs" over here are either in reality just apprentices earning a buck on the side or are only servicing their friends and maybe a few others.

But essentially you have a point. THen again, considering a Luthier is "someone who builds guitars and other stringed instruments" it´s kind of self explanatory that peiople shouldn´t be touting themselves as such unless then´ve produced at least a handful of instruments from scratch. And in the US there are also professional schools such as Bryan Galloup in Michigan or Roberto-Venn that offer extensive courses with certification. As a tech there are also courses that you can take.

In a way it´s a shame that none of these credentials are mandatory unlike over here, but that does also have advantages. PRS and Hamer for example would never have come into existence in most European countries because the founders would have never gotten the chance to learn by repairing first ;)

For me as a professionally trained luthier working on getting his long overdue master luthier certification, a tech is someone who can be trusted to handle any day to day work and most minor repairs, including but not limited to: relatively clean headstock breaks, loose binding, Pickup swaps w/o, routing general setup including cutting nuts and saddles, finish touch ups, possibly fret dressing, refrets and other more delicate tasks like routing for a pickup or Floyd Rose. He may or may not have viable expertise with amplifiers and other backline gear. Will most likely be found either touring with a band or in the back of a guitar shop that offeres most services, but not everything. Could very possibly own said shop.

A luthier is somebody who can take a tree and turn it into a guiitar, restore a completely destroyed guitar to like new status, and can very literally offer any service "from the cradle to the grave" that any stringed instrument could ever need in the course of it´s lifetime. Probably won´t be much of an amp tech, but I´d like to see the amp tech reset the neck on a 15th century violin without anybody seeing the work despite the inevitable touch ups on 400 year old shellac. ;)

BTW, I do NOT consider people that exclusively build and repair guitars to be luthiers in the truest sense of the world, but rather "Guitar builders". I don´t mean this as a derogatory term in any sense, but the current generation of up and coming electric and acoustic builders are mostly specialists who wouldn´t know the first thing to do with a Sitar or Cello :eek13:

So essentially I see 4 "levels" of guitar specialist: Hack, Tech, guitar Builder and Luthier... I think each of tehse has a bittle leeway despite my relatively precise opinions of what is what, and TBH i don´t think more liniency is a good thing, the lines are too blurred already.

What would make sense would be mandatory membership in, for ex., the Guild of American Luthiers. Ideally combined with some sort of publicly visible feedback system... that way you can see from home whether the guy around the corner is a diamond hidden in a compost heap, or whether the high profile guy in the center of town really IS as good as he claims. ;)
 
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You guys in the States actually have it pretty sweet.

We in Europe (more specifically in the Euro area) 'have it pretty sweet', too, you might say. Now that the USD and UKP are both weak, we can get from UK guitar shops guitars for 2/3 of the price in Musician's Friend.
 
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Zerb, there's no level below hack or between hack and tech? I'd like to distinguish myself from the people that couldn't even put together a warmoth. We'll call those people knuckle-draggers. They're below hacks. Then I'll accept the title of hack.
 
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I think I skipped over #7. I have a pedal board that would make The Edge happy.

Then again, I do agree with the point in principle. Sometimes I feel like I'd be better off with a tweed Deluxe and a 10 foot cable.

But then I gaze upon the majesty of my effects, and forget all about that idea.

I thought you had an M13?
 
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Zerb, there's no level below hack or between hack and tech? I'd like to distinguish myself from the people that couldn't even put together a warmoth. We'll call those people knuckle-draggers. They're below hacks. Then I'll accept the title of hack.

Agreed, knuckle dragger adden before Hack :beerchug:

The only reason hack stays 1 higher is that every so often they do something right :laugh2:
 
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Come 2012 they'll have to pry my fingers off my made in china SX Strat, and I've put all the extra money that I didn't spend on an overpriced Fender to good use. (Leo smile's his approval from heaven)
 
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Zerb, there's no level below hack or between hack and tech? I'd like to distinguish myself from the people that couldn't even put together a warmoth. We'll call those people knuckle-draggers. They're below hacks. Then I'll accept the title of hack.

Knuckle Dragger?

My new theory is that anyone who has a $2,000 PRS, a $1,200 Gibson, and a $600 Marshall Amp that can't change their strings is a pure and simple _______.

Whatever you want to call him, I don't care but this guy had both of these guitars in the local shop asking a worker to "help" him put his strings on.

:smack:
 
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Knuckle Dragger?

Its the most politically correct way to say that these people are less evolved, and lack basic skills to use tools. Lots of intelligent people have no handy skills whatsoever naturally, but they could learn to screw a neck on a body, do some basic guitar wiring and change strings.

As for the price of your guitars being a factor in how pathetic it is to not be able to change the strings - I'd say it isn't. Basic setup skills are probably more crucial if you have a cheap guitar where you need to adjust everything to get it playing decently and maybe have to adjust things more often to keep it that way. Although I do agree it is a strange sight to see someone with a high-end guitar that can't change the strings.
 
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So essentially I see 4 "levels" of guitar specialist: Hack, Tech, guitar Builder and Luthier...

Then I hereby proudly pronounce myself a "smart" hack! I don't dare touch guitars other than my own. And I usually know when I'm over my head, and bring my guitars to a tech, builder or a luthier depending on the problem.
 
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Knuckle Dragger?

My new theory is that anyone who has a $2,000 PRS, a $1,200 Gibson, and a $600 Marshall Amp that can't change their strings is a pure and simple _______.

Whatever you want to call him, I don't care but this guy had both of these guitars in the local shop asking a worker to "help" him put his strings on.

:smack:

In my experience, he got the formula backwards. He should be using a $2000 amp and a $1200 or $600 dollar guitar. A great amp can make a sheit guitar sound passable. A great guitar will never sound good through a sheit amp.

After reading through this thread again, I am convinced that cheaper guitars can play reasonably well if given an extra-thorough setup. In many cases, simply filing the nuts slots and adjusting the truss rod (not in that order) will do WONDERS for intonation.
 
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You know what grinds my gears? Everything. I'm sick of it all. I can't stand it anymore.

Cheap guitars,
expensive guitars,
overpriced guitars,
underpriced guitars,
guitars that are priced fairly,
guitars built by companies that rip up rain forests,
guitars built by companies that don't rip up rain forests.
Good guitars,
bad guitars,
mediocre guitars,
guitars that won't stay in tune,
guitars that will stay in tune
and give you nothing to do
except play them
and face the fact
that you suck.
Pretty guitars,
ugly guitars,
funky guitars,
boring guitars,
custom guitars,
mass-produced guitars,
the guitar in my hands,
and those there on the rack.
Old guitars,
new guitars,
old guitars that look new,
and new guitars that look old.
Guitars that need pickup changes,
and the ones that don't.
Pickups that need guitar changes,
and pickups that are best just seen
in a catalog.
People who b!tch about guitars,
and especially the ones who don't.
Watch out for guitars that b!tch about people,
'cause they usually have sharp parts on them
and ceramic pickup magnets.
I've been messing with this crap
for seventeen years,
and the only thing worse
than dealing with it all
is not.
 
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You know what grinds my gears? Everything. I'm sick of it all. I can't stand it anymore.

Cheap guitars,
expensive guitars,
overpriced guitars,
underpriced guitars,
guitars that are priced fairly,
guitars built by companies that rip up rain forests,
guitars built by companies that don't rip up rain forests.
Good guitars,
bad guitars,
mediocre guitars,
guitars that won't stay in tune,
guitars that will stay in tune
and give you nothing to do
except play them
and face the fact
that you suck.
Pretty guitars,
ugly guitars,
funky guitars,
boring guitars,
custom guitars,
mass-produced guitars,
the guitar in my hands,
and those there on the rack.
Old guitars,
new guitars,
old guitars that look new,
and new guitars that look old.
Guitars that need pickup changes,
and the ones that don't.
Pickups that need guitar changes,
and pickups that are best just seen
in a catalog.
People who b!tch about guitars,
and especially the ones who don't.
Watch out for guitars that b!tch about people,
'cause they usually have sharp parts on them
and ceramic pickup magnets.
I've been messing with this crap
for seventeen years,
and the only thing worse
than dealing with it all
is not.

Ever thought about taking up the banjo ?

:scratchch
 
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