Intonation Problem

rspst14

Tone Cat
Hey guys, anyone have any suggestions of what to do when you have the saddle on a Floyd Rose guitar pulled back as far as it will possibly go, and yet the intonation is still sharp at the twelfth fret? I'm using a Peterson strobe tuner to set the intonation, and I can't quite get it dialed in on the low E string. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Ryan
 
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Would a skinnier or thicker low E string help?
 
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Yeah, that's odd. What guitar and string gauge are you using? If it's all normal, it seems impossible for that to happen. I had that happen with an SG once, but luckily I could flip the saddle to give myself another millimeter or two. On a Floyd, are you suggesting that there's NO more travel, and it's still not intonated?
 
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Gearjoneser said:
On a Floyd, are you suggesting that there's NO more travel, and it's still not intonated?

That's right. It's on my Wolfgang, and I'm using 10-46 strings. There is no warping of the neck, the action is fine, and the truss rod is adjusted properly. I have the low E saddle pulled back as far as it can possibly go, but the intonation is sharp at the 12th fret. All the other strings intonate properly, it's just the low E that's giving me trouble.

Ryan
 
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Having any device on your guitar wil cause the strings to simply go out of tune.Do you have a top of the line tech who intonates your guitar every two weeks?ALL of the following should be done every two weeks:Changes strings?Grind and polish on the frets?Removal OF GRIT using ultra fine sand paper on the frets?Removal of dents on the neck?Again a grind and polish.Set your truss rod?SET your pu's, so one string does not sound louder than another?I am a studio jazz rock guitarist.I ALSO PLAY EVERY GENRE ON THE GUITAR.I HAVE 16 GRAMMY AWARDS.go and visit http://www.carminedamico.biz and http://www.carminedamico.com and let's see if I helped you with your problem, :cool3:
 
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If the string gauges are kept the same, and are of same alloy, and tuned the the same referrence, then once intonation is set, it need not be set again ...
I've checked many guitars that have the same setup, and they scope true each time between string changes, very rarely, but seasonal still, do they tend to drift. Of course Ryan you know about set up floating trems, so I won't mention the stabilization issues. Only thing that comes to mind is the old strat-itis issue, although more of a problem with single coil rod mags, it might be possible that a HB too close may cause the same thing (especially if you get something like an X2N to close to the strings). It either register sharp, or fluctuates the reading. On a personal note, I don't put much stock in the strobe deal, a TU-12H is accurate to within +/- 1 cent, and your ear can't detect a musical difference, certainly less than what equal temperment imparts. Grinding and polishing frets (especially ever two weeks ... man some tech is milking someone with a wallet vacuum job), I've seen guitars that haven't had a fret level in decades intonate just fine ... especially referrenced to just one fret (ala 12th in this case). The only other option that I see, is the fact that perhaps the bridge was not installed correctly per factory (I doubt this) ... Ryan have you tried (as odd as this sounds) replacing that one 46 with another? One option might be to start with a fresh string and with the sadddle all the way back first, and then bring it forward as needed, as the can eliminate the chance of any deformation of the string over the break angle of the saddle. Man, that's just to odd ... and bridge is fine? String height and neck angle fine? I don't know, I'm out of ideas Ryan.
 
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studiojazzrockguitar said:
Having any device on your guitar wil cause the strings to simply go out of tune.Do you have a top of the line tech who intonates your guitar every two weeks?ALL of the following should be done every two weeks:Changes strings?Grind and polish on the frets?Removal OF GRIT using ultra fine sand paper on the frets?Removal of dents on the neck?Again a grind and polish.Set your truss rod?SET your pu's, so one string does not sound louder than another?I am a studio jazz rock guitarist.I ALSO PLAY EVERY GENRE ON THE GUITAR.I HAVE 16 GRAMMY AWARDS.go and visit http://www.carminedamico.biz and http://www.carminedamico.com and let's see if I helped you with your problem, :cool3:

Thanks, but I think that may be a bit excessive. You shouldn't need a truss rod adjustment and fret level/polish every two weeks. The only top of the line tech who works on my guitars is me. After paying several techs who ended up screwing up the guitar even worse, I learned to do everything myself...setups, wiring, modifications, fretwork, etc. I've had the guitar for three years, and the frets still look brand new. I've always used pure nickel strings and played with a light touch, which probably explains this.

I should mention that the Floyd is not floating, it rests flat against the body and is set for downward use of the bar only. The pickups are mounted directly to the body, so pickup height is not an issue. Maybe I just need to play with the setup a little to dial it in.

Ryan
 
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