Introducing the Rail Series...

My guess is A8 and rails are very metal looking, so they are targeting the folks that listen with their eyes not their ears
 
nienturi said:
Frank Falbo says:
"Alnico 8 in the JB Rails plus the Rails bobbins. So it likely only has the JB wire gauge and number of turns. To me, personally I would not have called it a JB/Jazz because it’s such a radical departure from what makes a JB what it is, and what has made it historically significant.
But I also understand it, rather than issue a new pickup name and spend time describing it to everyone, it’s easier to just use the popular trade names. Like the Little 59, JB, PG, SD…they aren’t tone clones of the full sized humbuckers but it was at least a way for consumers to ballpark it.​"
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How could the DCR reading be over 2k higher with the same wire gauge and number of turns?
 
Seashore said:
How could the DCR reading be over 2k higher with the same wire gauge and number of turns?
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Wrapping 1000 turns of wire around a soda can will be more wire than wrapping 1000 turns around your thumb. I would assume a rail design would have lower DCR all else being equal though.
 
OMG...I have the Custom Shop versions of the JB & Jazz that inspired these. I'm SO excited to see these available in those and other flavors!

Though I'm certainly a little bummed that I spent so much more on mine!

EDIT: It seems ALL of the new "rail" pickups list "Alnico 8" as the magnet type, but I'm thinking that *may* be a typo. My rail sets from MJ are A5 like the regular JB/Jazz with my JB Rails ranging from 17.2K to 18.2K and the Jazz right at 8.0K.
 
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Rex_Rocker said:
The JB is 18.7K and Alnico 8.

That... and it's rails.

So... what makes it a JB, then?

I'm sure it's a great pickup. Hell, I'd love to try it out. But I'm very curious what makes it a JB at all?
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At that point, it really wouldn't be a "JB" at all. Like, not even in the same ballpark!

I noted this above, but all of these pickups list "Alnico 8" and I'm wondering if that was just an oversight from when the pages were created.

Also, my MJ-wound versions of the JB rails are in the 17K-18K range (and use A5 mags), so much closer to their "Trembucker" counterparts.

I'd be pretty disappointed if they shoved an A8 in there, bumped the winds up by another 10% and then tried to claim it was the classic we all loved, but in more modern clothing! :/
 
Masta' C said:
I'd be pretty disappointed if they shoved an A8 in there, bumped the winds up by another 10% and then tried to claim it was the classic we all loved, but in more modern clothing! :/
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If it's indeed a hotter wind with an A8 magnet, that would put it more along the lines of an Alternative 8 Rails than a JB Rails, no? LOL.

I'm just talking shit at this point. Don't take me too seriously. But I think it would've been cooler and more original if they had thought of a more original name like Snowpiercer or Spirit Tracks or whatever, and then in the blurb, they would've mentioned "like a JB, but with a tighter attack and a tighter low end because of the rails". But it's their pickup. THey can do whatever they want. I am even debating about ordering one for my Les Paul or just a plain jane JB.

It does sound great in their vid.
 
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Masta' C said:
Difference in bobbin geometry...same reason a regular JB humbucker is ~16.4K and a JB "trembucker" is well over 17K. Wider bobbins require slightly more wire for the same number of turns.
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Rail bobbins are bigger? Huh. Ok. I thought they would be smaller, if anything. Thinking of it as the width of a trembucker makes sense. Thanks.
 
That ubiqitous use of A8 is really surprising. Maybe it is a mistake in description?

Seashore said:
How could the DCR reading be over 2k higher with the same wire gauge and number of turns?
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Slightly longer bobbins and higher winding tension can result in higher DCR with the same number of turns.
 
htrd said:
That ubiqitous use of A8 is really surprising. Maybe it is a mistake in description?



Slightly longer bobbins and higher winding tension can result in higher DCR with the same number of turns.
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Yup, makes sense, thanks.


I don't think the A8 thing is a mistake, they also say it in the blurb about the pickups.
 
Mincer said:


Introducing the Rail Series from Seymour Duncan, where classic pickups meet innovative rail design for modern players. This collection features JB Rails, Jazz Rails, the Hot-Rodded Rails Set, Nazgûl Rails, Sentient Rails, and the Nazgûl Sentient Rails Set. Each pickup retains the revered characteristics of our originals while infusing them with the clarity, tightness, and sustain of rail design, making them ideal for high-gain applications.

The JB Rails has our classic JB Model’s full low end, crips highs, and upper-midrange bump, but adds the tightness and accentuated attack of the rails platform. The Jazz Rails pickup is a perfect complement, maintaining the original Jazz’s glassy treble response, full bass, and scooped mids while incorporating the string-to-string balance of a rail design. The Hot-Rodded Rails Set combines JB Rails and Jazz Rails, delivering a versatile, high-gain setup.

The Nazgûl Rails retains the brutal articulation of the Nazgûl while adding the rails design gives focused low-end and precise sustain, perfect for modern metal. The Sentient Rails neck pickup, designed to pair with Nazgûl Rails, delivers exceptional clarity and harmonic range, ideal for intricate chordal passages and lower tunings. Together, the Nazgûl Sentient Rails Set offers blistering highs, cutting mids, and precise bass, capturing the essence of modern metal.

Available for both 6-String and 7-String guitars. They are suitable for both standard humbucker and trembucker string spacing.

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Beyond cool. My favorite humbucker ever is the Supertron which is a rail pickup version of a Filtertron. I would be very interested in a Duncan made version if they ever released it. I would also love to hear the cleans from a rail version of the Jazz as it is one of the more beautiful clean tones I ever heard from a humbucker.
 
Mincer said:
Right? How awesome would that be?
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The Duncan Custom is my fave bridge pickup of all time - Balanced, Powerful and Bright.

The 59n is probably 2nd fave neck pup after the APH series (APH1,APH2,Slash2.0) but it tends to get "boomy" in the low end for my fave guitar (the Les Paul), so I'm thinking a 59n Rails could take away the "boominess" and add clarity and articulation to rival the APH series.

It's going to be a great set for sure.
 
fretburner said:
The Duncan Custom is my fave bridge pickup of all time - Balanced, Powerful and Bright.

The 59n is probably 2nd fave neck pup after the APH series (APH1,APH2,Slash2.0) but it tends to get "boomy" in the low end for my fave guitar (the Les Paul), so I'm thinking a 59n Rails could take away the "boominess" and add clarity and articulation to rival the APH series.

It's going to be a great set for sure.
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The classic solution to this was to throw an A4 in there
 
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