Invader Bad Choice for an SG Standard?

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ThriceDeadbolt86

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I recently ordered an Invader, and I'm taking it to have it installed in my Gibson SG Standard tomorrow afternoon, but now I am having second thoughts after reading a lot of posts on here about the Invader in mahogany guitars...The whole reason i got the invader was for the sustain and the heavy sound, I was using the JB for the longest time and I was pissed because the JB has absolutely no sustain for solos whatsoever and the high notes sound so thin it's rediculous...am i going to run into this problem again when i put an invader in my SG?? I hope not...id appreciate some feedback regardless..Thanks, the closest musical genre that i play is related to either hardcore/metal..i just figured that the invader would be the best choice for my guitar to play solo's and still have a nice thick heavy tone for chords
 
Re: Invader Bad Choice for an SG Standard?

I have the JB installed not so long ago and I didn't notice that lack of sustain. I've never tried he invader but it seems the definetly a good pickup for a fat and heavy distorted tone.
 
Re: Invader Bad Choice for an SG Standard?

Its fat and heavy but, it dosent have much note seperation and definition. If you can live with that, it should be fine.
 
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In a thick body mahogany bodied guitar the invader would probably be too much for most people, but seeing as an SG has a relatively thin body it may be ok, i think try it out and see.
 
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The Invader is not good for solos and in a mahagony guitar my bet is it will be way too muddy. I had one in an Alder guitar and changed it after 1 day because the tone was bad with no clarity and horrible for leads! I ended up with the Screamin Demon and it absolutely is the best for solos and killer for rhythms as well!!!!!!!
 
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The custom could be a good choice also.
 
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The Invader may be fine. I doubt very highly that it can muddy up an SG bridge slot.

I have no idea why your JB had no sustain. Define sustain the way you hear it....
 
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Good sustain is a result of having a well set up guitar. Higher output pickups have a more compressed sound, which can give the illusion of more sustain, but any pickup should sustain pretty well. It sounds like there is a problem with your guitar's setup, I would have a tech look at it when they install the pickup. Otherwise, it's not going to sustain well with the Invader either.

Ryan
 
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metaled said:
The Invader is not good for solos and in a mahagony guitar my bet is it will be way too muddy. I had one in an Alder guitar and changed it after 1 day because the tone was bad with no clarity and horrible for leads! I ended up with the Screamin Demon and it absolutely is the best for solos and killer for rhythms as well!!!!!!!
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Kind of an uneducated opinion IMO. The SG is mahoghany-bodied, but it's also quite thin and the width is somewhat compact, so it's actually got some good treble to it and more than capable of getting good sustain sustain with proper setup. That said, I've played Invader equipped guitars before and never had trouble soloing with them, and the pinch harmonics were pretty crazy, too! The trick is the have the pup adjusted lower than the standard humbucker by the amount of the height of the polepieces, because that's how you'll get the right sensing field for the strings.

As for your guitar, I hate to say this, but I've never played a Gibson with low-action\fast playing with a factory set-up. So, if soloing is what you're after, I highly recommend you have your luthier set it up for such. I've heard they purposefully set the action like that so they make more money when you have it set up by a licensed professional; unethical business practices, IMO. :grumble: I hope that comment doesn't get me banned...
 
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You only stated what you heard KSS. You should know we're not like that over here! :)
 
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What i mean when i said that my JB had bad sustain was that the longest it would hold a bend or even vibrato was like 3 seconds..and i am a metal soloist at heart so that really defeats the purpose of soloing with no sustain and thinness of tone on the high notes...but anyways back on the Invader...all of these comments are a little disappointing..but i have already bought it and i might as well try it out, but i have another question..do u think having it installed at Guitar Center is an OK idea, and then have them re-setup the guitar?
The price quota i got from them was a little steep but if its worth it i have no problem..anyone feel free to comment, if not thats fine too, thanks
 
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I've never had any work done by a GC tech, but if they're as knowledgable as the average salesperson there, I'd definitely go somewhere else :D
 
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korinastratkyle......I know what i`m doing as far as a guitar is concerned!!! The Invader simply didn`t work for me thats all,my opinion only! I`ve been playing guitar longer then you`ve been alive by the way so thats my reaction to your statement!!!!!
 
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Calm down everybody.

Give the Invader a shot. If it is muddy, return it withing 21 days, and try something else :) If the Invader doesn't do it for you, give the Custom a shot. Good pickup.
 
Re: Invader Bad Choice for an SG Standard?

You could get a soldering iron and give it a go yourself. Plenty of people here could help you out with it.
 
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I've tried the Invader in a maple bodied guitar, and it was very bright-- a bit buzz saw, but not bad. Sounds really nice in Korina. It was just awful in a walnut SG Standard with an ebony fretboard-- harsh, no definition-- muddy!.
I've heard it in a live situation in one of those fat bodied mahogany Gibson Vs from the 80's, and it was, well... muddy.
 
Re: Invader Bad Choice for an SG Standard?

SH-13s in SGs totally rock. I have them in both my SGs and they sound alomst as fat as a paul, and are great for leads.
The SH-13 just kills in the bridge for leads and rhythms. It just makes the SG come to life.

If you would like to hear what the SH-13 sounds like in an SG, then go and look for my clips in the clips section.


Before I started using the SH-13 in my SGs, I was also going to get an Invader, but I went with the SH-13 and I couldn't have been happier.



Rock.
 
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