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Believe the hype --- Strats are hard to get right, but when you do, it's more incredible than the same accomplishment on a Les Paul

I have to be an exception then! I think strats are easy to play and very forgiving. It's gotta be something in the hands of the individual. Everything is easier on strats to me like bending and vibrato. Much easier to hit the right notes. I have much harder time playing Les Pauls but the payoff is better :biglaugh:
 
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Before we go offending the LP guys, I think its worth mentioning that regardless of the guitar a snappy bright tone will show off mistakes more.
 
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I'm in the boat that a strat is *far* more forgiving for me than a Gibson. A tele on the other hand...well, you better know how to play that bastard. Strats though to me are major beater guitars, hit it, kick it, punch it, swing it, it'll make a sound that sounds good. I used to beat the hell out of a strat and it stayed in tune and sounded good doing it. swung it by it's strap once and kicked it repeatedly. Those were good days. I play most sloppy on strats, and most precise on Gibsons and Teles.
 
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Before we go offending the LP guys, I think its worth mentioning that regardless of the guitar a snappy bright tone will show off mistakes more.

True but I think amp or distortion has a big role to play as well. Some amps are quite unforgiving. These are the best amps :D
 
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I love the articulation of fender-scale guitars, and I tend to agree that fenders can be more of a fight, but there are strengths and weaknesses to both: for example things can get pretty cramped for me past the 15th fret on a gibson-scale guitar.

For me, the most important thing is the tonal aspect: In most cases, I prefer the tonality of a gibson-scale guitar if I'm providing all the midrange in a rock band. In that case, no beefed up fender will quite get there. In other musical scenarios, fenders suit better.

You can also 'manage' aspects of guitars that don't suit you: a flatter radius and jumbo frets can take a lot of the pain out of using a fender, and a taller, thinner fretwire and lower-output pickups can bring out articulation in a Gibson...
 
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I always thought of a Les Paul as a guitar that gives you good tone automatically - plug it into a good amp and you get bulky tones... you need to be a deaf idiot to mess it up.

On the other hand - my favorite tones come from Strats and Telecasters - they are very rewarding if you can master them - your personality just shines through.
 
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I am currently on the Tele band wagon, before that it was a strat, before that it was a P bass. I've went into music stores with money in hand to buy an LP but couldn't do it. And let me say that I LOVE the way an LP sounds, just not when I am playing it.
 
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I've noticed this too- that's why I play strats.

LP's feel too dead to me; it's like they sound the same no matter how you play them.

Wasn't that their original purpose? Les Paul wanted to make an instrument that was balanced, didn't have any of he differentiations in volume or dynamics that the other electrics of the era were prone to.
 
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Wasn't that their original purpose? Les Paul wanted to make an instrument that was balanced, didn't have any of he differentiations in volume or dynamics that the other electrics of the era were prone to.

Les Pauls are you kidding?
 
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Les Pauls are you kidding?

I think what TP is driving at is that the LP was designed to deliver a more consistent, smoother sound than contemporary instruments like the tele could provide. Not that 'you can't play dynamically on an LP'.


In the end, there is an undertone of 'LP=girly man guitar' to any thread like thi, which seems silly considering how much solidly macho music has been played on Les Pauls.

But hey, if you're an LP user and this kind of thread gets your panties bunched up to the point that buying crotchless was pointless in the first place, I suggest either ignoring it or forming a support group.

LPs, teles and strats are all awesome instruments, and we all have different hands, nervous systems and trouser preferences...
 
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I think what TP is driving at is that the LP was designed to deliver a more consistent, smoother sound than contemporary instruments like the tele could provide. Not that 'you can't play dynamically on an LP'.


In the end, there is an undertone of 'LP=girly man guitar' to any thread like thi, which seems silly considering how much solidly macho music has been played on Les Pauls.

But hey, if you're an LP user and this kind of thread gets your panties bunched up to the point that buying crotchless was pointless in the first place, I suggest either ignoring it or forming a support group.

LPs, teles and strats are all awesome instruments, and we all have different hands, nervous systems and trouser preferences...

How come every time somebody disagrees with something someone else comes along and says "don't get your panties in a wad?"

So back to the subject at hand. I'm pretty certain that Les Pauls were created before Fender. That being said your first statement might need revision.
 
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How come every time somebody disagrees with something someone else comes along and says "don't get your panties in a wad?"

Could be worse. Could be somebody telling us we should be practicing more and gear doesn't matter, blah-blah-blah...

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So back to the subject at hand. I'm pretty certain that Les Pauls were created before Fender. That being said your first statement might need revision.

Gibson the company is much older than Fender (1894 vs. 1946) but the Tele came along just before the LP (called Broadcaster in '51), while the LP ('52) was before the Strat ('54).
 
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I definitely believe Strats are more versatile than LP's... but what LP's do well can not be beat. Myself... I go back and fourth.... If the other guitarist is playing a Les Paul I will play a strat and vice versa. Overall..... I find I can be more expressive, more creative and more musical on a Strat. Even though this is not the topic.... Looks alone... I think nothing looks cooler than a Les Paul... NOTHING.
 
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On the comments about what is more forgiving.... when I find myself getting into sloppy habits.. I practice with my Tele which I believe is the most unforgiving guitar I have. It is like a love/hate thing. I have to really work to get what I want out of it.
 
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How come every time somebody disagrees with something someone else comes along and says "don't get your panties in a wad?"

So back to the subject at hand. I'm pretty certain that Les Pauls were created before Fender. That being said your first statement might need revision.

The first Fender Esquires and Broadcasters were sold in 1950. Whilst the single pickup versions retained the name 'Esquire' to this day, Gretsch developed a Panty-problem over it's trademarking of the Broadcaster name, and the Broadcaster became known as the telecaster sometime in 1951.

So that's a couple of years prior to the introduction of the first Gibson Les Paul signature guitar in 1952. The LP was designed with the express intention of competing against the Tele.

Why panties? -I dunno. It is a nice mental picture, though. And there certainly is an historical trend amongst internet LP owners getting a bit defensive when fender dudes start talking about 'fighting their guitars more' for 'more reward'. File in the same pile as 'teles are for real men'...
 
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I think what TP is driving at is that the LP was designed to deliver a more consistent, smoother sound than contemporary instruments like the tele could provide. Not that 'you can't play dynamically on an LP'.

The electrics he was comparing it to were those of the big old hollowbodies. A - he needed a guitar that could be amplified to play with an orchestra. When he made the hollowbodies loud, however, he quickly found a few issues arose, the hollow body would mess with the dynamics of the sound, become TOO pronounced for his tastes, and do it couldn't keep up with an orchestra without turning it much louder, which would create feedback. The Les Paul fixed both of those, as without the soundhole there wasn't feedback and the dynamics would be about even all around, leaving the volume control mostly to the electronics rather than the player. (I read this in the Rock and Roll hall of fame)


I'm not saying they aren't dynamic, surely they are, I own one and I never touch my volume controls on it, I control my sound by my picking, but I find my hollowbody and my strat are far more dynamic, have much more range to their sound, whereas the Les Paul sounds good regardless of how I hit it.


And your above comment is right, about being harder to get vibrato on a Les Paul. The way I figure it, is everyone has hands suited to a certain guitar. My vibrato sounds crappy on shorter scale guitars but great with a tele or strat, whereas some people are the opposite. Some people just cant get a Les Paul to sound good because thats just not how their hands go, they are an extreme, as is the strat.

EDIT: And the Les Paul was 'technically' invented before the broadcaster/tele, but Gibson would have nothing of it. They turned Les Paul down many times, said the idea was worthless, laughable even. It wasn't until the tele came out and got popular that Gibson finally said "Hmm, I guess we need a solid body, wheres that Les Paul dude?"

Though I'm sure dude wasn't the word they used...
 
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The first Fender Esquires and Broadcasters were sold in 1950. Whilst the single pickup versions retained the name 'Esquire' to this day, Gretsch developed a Panty-problem over it's trademarking of the Broadcaster name, and the Broadcaster became known as the telecaster sometime in 1951.

So that's a couple of years prior to the introduction of the first Gibson Les Paul signature guitar in 1952. The LP was designed with the express intention of competing against the Tele.

Why panties? -I dunno. It is a nice mental picture, though. And there certainly is an historical trend amongst internet LP owners getting a bit defensive when fender dudes start talking about 'fighting their guitars more' for 'more reward'. File in the same pile as 'teles are for real men'...

I have been wrong in the past! My recollection is that Gibson came out with the Les Paul back in 1941 and Fender didn't start until 1946. No matter, I get the point ur trying to make. Still learning something from this thread so that's good!
 
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