Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

[Jacew]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

No offense but if that’s your stance then that criticism means very little.
As far as your examples of the public criticizing political officials, the average person has no idea what the job of president entails and therefore has no legitimate foot to stand on when criticizing.
The old saying “walk a mile in another man’s moccasins” rings pretty true here.
Just because a person “can” say something doesn’t mean they should, or that they know what they are taking about.

Yep.

But the opposite means no one could critize most of things experienced people do. That wouldn't simply work in a real world, where everything to work as well as it does requires people with less knowledge to not only criticize, but lead and direct people who know better than them.

If only a handful of people can criticize someone, then it means nothing, because the sample is so small and there's no one is immune to influence of other people no matter how strictly they want to deny it.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

All rock stars are overrated.

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

Yep.

But the opposite means no one could critize most of things experienced people do. That wouldn't simply work in a real world, where everything to work as well as it does requires people with less knowledge to not only criticize, but lead and direct people who know better than them.

If only a handful of people can criticize someone, then it means nothing, because the sample is so small and there's no one is immune to influence of other people no matter how strictly they want to deny it.

That’s true. However we need to consider:
1) the content of the criticism.
Some people just want to b*tch for the sake if it. I don’t have time for that.
I can absolutely listen to a well thought out criticisms especially if the critic has some type of experience and knowledge of what they are taking about.

2) the source of the criticism.
Social media has given everybody a voice. Some of those people need to exercise their right to remain silent.

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

No offense but if that’s your stance then that criticism means very little.
As far as your examples of the public criticizing political officials, the average person has no idea what the job of president entails and therefore has no legitimate foot to stand on when criticizing.
Just because a person “can” say something doesn’t mean they should, or that they know what they are taking about.

Yes, and the average person is supposed to STFU cause they have no idea about what they are criticizing, right? But that's not reality. We are not living in a utopian world. We should accept it, not fight it. It is what it is, mon ami.

If your ideals were reality, nobody in this forum would talk trash about say, Asian guitars or whatever, unless they have the skills of a craftsman, yes?

Either that, or I am missing something between the lines.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

Yep.

But the opposite means no one could critize most of things experienced people do. That wouldn't simply work in a real world, where everything to work as well as it does requires people with less knowledge to not only criticize, but lead and direct people who know better than them.

If only a handful of people can criticize someone, then it means nothing, because the sample is so small and there's no one is immune to influence of other people no matter how strictly they want to deny it.

I think that you have hit upon the problem. People with less knowledge and experience trying to lead and direct people with more of both.

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[Powdered Toast Man]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

I think LZ and Page by extension are very of their time. The bands of the 90's were all influenced by the artists of the 60's and 70's. Now that the members of those 90's bands are all pushing into their 50's they're no longer musically relevant (aside from GenX nostalgia tours) some of the music from the 60's and 70's sounds especially dated in 2018.

In 1970, Jimmy Page was doing things with the guitar that no one had thought to do before. In 2018 those innovations are long past and we have had several generations of new innovators. Hell, all Page (and many others of that generation) were doing was playing black American blues back to American kids. Listen to all those old blues artists like Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry, Howlin Wolf, Buddy Guy, John Lee Hooker, and others and you'll hear EVERYTHING Page was doing in there. Just like I'm hearing new stuff out now that sounds like it was lifted from Pearl Jam or U2.

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

Yes, and the average person is supposed to STFU cause they have no idea about what they are criticizing, right? But that's not reality. We are not living in a utopian world. We should accept it, not fight it. It is what it is, mon ami.

If your ideals were reality, nobody in this forum would talk trash about say, Asian guitars or whatever, unless they have the skills of a craftsman, yes?

Either that, or I am missing something between the lines.

See post #123

 

[devastone]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

Beck, Page, Clapton, VH, Vai, Hendrix, Edge, etc... all innovators, all equals in my eyes. Calling one overrated because they are your personal favorite, whatever...

 

[LLL]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

The "Heartbreaker" solo impressed and influenced the likes of Steve Vai and Edward Van Halen.

Mr. James Patrick Page has influenced generations with his playing, composing, tone and recording skills.

So, the answer is a solid and qualified "no".

 

[justFred]

Re: Is Jimmy Page the most overrated guitarist?

Beck + Page = a masterpiece:

 

[eyesonly]

I was shopping for new pickups and the whole lotta humbucker pickups

I think it's a crock that he ever made pickups for Jimmy Page. It's like when Mike Mathews came out with seeing Hendrix with a Big Muff.

 

[jeremy]

you bumped a two year old thread to say that seymour never wound a pup for jimmy page? suppose he never wound one for hendrix either, or jeff beck

 

[ICTGoober]

you bumped a two year old thread to say that seymour never wound a pup for jimmy page? suppose he never wound one for hendrix either, or jeff beck

Seymour DID wind pickups for Beck. It's pretty much where he started getting a name.

 

[Mad Max]

I try not to judge guitarist of the past by modern standards and to keep in mind that music is an art form not a competition. Its difficult though. A guitar player like Jeff Loomis or Marty Friedman are objectively better than those classic rock players because they can do things that those guys can't.
I like Led Zeppelin, their hard-core fans make me like them less. I guess I don't understand why they are put on this pedestal. As far as 70s rock I prefer AC/DC, Sabbath, and even Skynyrd over Zeppelin.

 

[jeremy]

Seymour DID wind pickups for Beck. It's pretty much where he started getting a name.

and page and hendrix too. the man was in the right place at the right time

 

[Demanic]

and page and hendrix too. the man was in the right place at the right time

And he had, even then, a well deserved reputation.

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[Snake Aces]

Um, the OP is just trolling the room I assume? It is one thing to say you do not like another player's style, but to call a true legend an overrated guitarist is just plain trolling. Which, of course, is against the rules here.

This thread is a joke. The OP is an overrated forum member for sure, perhaps the most overrated one there is. That is my 2 cents.

 

[Mincer]

Weird thread to bring back...

History judges your place. I think JP is doing fine.

 

[Sirion]

Um, the OP is just trolling the room I assume? It is one thing to say you do not like another player's style, but to call a true legend an overrated guitarist is just plain trolling. Which, of course, is against the rules here.

This thread is a joke. The OP is an overrated forum member for sure, perhaps the most overrated one there is. That is my 2 cents.

I would say that it is the other way around: somebody who has become a legend is likely to be overrated, simply because few people are able to differentiate between fame and skill, and even fewer are capable of forming a coherent picture of what was going on musically in a particular era. That is how you get people saying that "there's innovators and immitators" or posting timelines of when records were released or lists of sales numbers and expect these to be zingers. They are not, and as a culture we are better off if we challenge idols - our own as well as society's.

 

[Snake Aces]

I would say that it is the other way around: somebody who has become a legend is likely to be overrated, simply because few people are able to differentiate between fame and skill, and even fewer are capable of forming a coherent picture of what was going on musically in a particular era. That is how you get people saying that "there's innovators and immitators" or posting timelines of when records were released or lists of sales numbers and expect these to be zingers. They are not, and as a culture we are better off if we challenge idols - our own as well as society's.

You sure do use a lot of words to say a lot of nonsense. When it comes to a name such as Page, there is no need to consider "fame vs skill". One simply needs to close their eyes to Since I've Been Loving You and enjoy the music. Living legend. Period. That IS the very definition of skill.