is marshall overrated?

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er... crank one. 95% chance it won't sound kind of weak, or fuzzy :bigok:

i'll never forget my favourite tone of mine on record of all time - i found a JTM45 head in the rehearsal studio, put all the knobs to 7 (angus young AFAIK likes this) - and one of SD97's modded DS-1s. i was playing a strat with a lil'59 in the bridge.

holy mother of god. if i'd been playing with a decent band, i would have died happy right there. i've been looking for a JTM45 of my own ever since :D


Sweetest tone on planet earth as far as I'm concerned.
 
Re: is marshall overrated?

Okay, here come the bedroom guitarists again...

Don't want to change the thread's topic, but it's a great quesiton to ask here. So, what small tube amp (1-15 Watts) would get closest to a cranked Marshall sound, without getting evicted? I know you guys know!

Thanks,
Noth

My Univox U-45B should be the circuit in the ministacks. It cooks and sounds like a tiny Marshall IMO. That's why I bought a second after not believing the sound I got out of the first. Let me tell you though, ten watts is still pretty loud.
 
Re: is marshall overrated?

Live... a decent Marshall into a V30 is a recipe for success. If this recipe was lost, rock would never be the same.

But, it is a "what have you done for me lately" world.
 
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Alright I'll weigh in.

I've owned a few Marshalls. Two were good and one was so-so. The so-so was a DSL 50. It was actually a good amp for gigging because it had a decent clean and would APPROXIMATE classic Marshall tone when jacked. It also took pedals well.

My second favorite was an older JCM 800. It would get the tone I think most Marshall guys look for. It was a bit of a one trick pony and tough to gig at clubs with because you want to crank that sucka.

My fav blew up about two weeks after I got it. It is a real plexi and was beat to hell. I still have it in my storage unit. My goal is to restore it myself and I am building an amp kit right now in order to gain the knowledge to do the restoration. It was cranked when it quit working and sounded awesome. With that said the Plexi wasn't a high gain amp even when cranked. It sure would do AC DC like a champ. Put a Tube Screamer in front and it would sing like an angel.

As great as my two favorite Marshalls are I do have a bit of an issue with the brand. I don't think their modern offerings are all that great. I also think that other brands are doing the Marshall tone better these days than Marshall is. About five years ago not long after I sold the JCM 800 (I'd moved on to a Mathless DC-30) I got a one off gig that required more of a Marshall thing. I ended up borrowing my buddies Fender Pro-Sonic and plugging it into a 4x12 with v30's. I'll tell you what that amp out Marshalled the DSL-50 I had and I thought sounded every bit as good, if not better than my JCM-800. Used the Pro-Sonic is about six hundred. I have an EL-34 Reverberocket that I've had modded with a speaker out jack. If I plug it into the right cab and jack the volume it will do Marshall pretty well too.

Aside from the boutique guys who build Marshall variations there are also smaller shops who will build you an amp with a plexi circuit for far cheaper than you can buy a used plexi or even a JCM 800 today. You can even buy a kit and build it yourself. I for one doubt I will ever buy a new Marshall amp because I can build a variation of a JCM 800 or Plexi for far cheaper and the thing will be wired up by hand, no PCB's.

My point is that I kind of think Marshall's are a bit over-rated. Certainly a good one is a great thing to have and covet but I think that you can get the Marshall vibe with other amps that are far cheaper and have less reliability issues. If I had an up-and-comer ask me right now what to do to get good Marshall style tone on the cheap I probably wouldn't recommend a Marshall to him. I'd tell him to email Scott F. or find a used ProSonic on ebay.

Anyway, just my two cents.
 
Re: is marshall overrated?

To answer the question of the thread, I would have to agree that Marshall is generally overrated as an amp brand. So much of the Marshall legend was created in the late 60's/early 70's, with the likes of Hendrix, Clapton and Blackmore, but there are two things to consider in each of these examples. Firstly, the Marshalls in question were loaded with early to mid 60's Mullards in both the preamp and power stages. These tubes are renowned for their sweet midrange push, and despite some clever marketing, have never truly been replicated. Secondly, it needs to be remembered that in the case of the above guitarists, they quite often used some form of germanium based treble booster or fuzz to drive the front end of their intrinsically "dark" Marshalls. Clapton's Bluesbreaker tone is partly thanks to the Dallas Rangemaster, Hendrix used a lot of Fuzzface, and Blackmore used a Hornby Skewes treble booster. In fact in Ritchie's case, it was more often a Hornby Skewes into a Vox AC30!

There have been plenty of Marshalls sold on the strength of these early pioneers, but the modern Marshall with crappy Chinese or Yugoslavian tubes, diode clipping, and Chinese made speakers with an English brand name is only related to the early amps which created the legend by name, certainly not by the tone produced. Coupling that with the fact that the 100w stack was born in a time when PA systems were ludicrously inneffective, and guitarists were dependent on producing their sound dispersion soley from the stage, and it explains why so many Marshalls sold since have sat in bedrooms, hidden behind sheets of plexiglass, or have needed to be tamed by attenuators. The entire design of the 100w stack is an antiquated dinosaur, 30 years out of date, and virtually unusable in its intended state by the majority of people who buy them. But damn, don't they look good? How would we describe that phenomenon without using the word "hype."

Try this. Get an MI Audio Crunch Box and plug it into your AC30. Tell me that the tone doesn't rock like a bitch and make you want to play for hours. Record it. Tell your friends it's a Marshall. You'll be surprised how many Marshall purists, hearing the guitar placed into a mix, will be saying to themselves "I wish I could get my Marshall to sound like that!" There's plenty of purists who hear Blackmore's "Machine Head" tone and say "Wow man, listen to that great Marshall Major tone." Yeah, well, it's a Hornby Skewes into an AC30! Having said all of that, there have been some incredible Marshall amps, but not enough to support the legend in their raw, unmodded form, with consistency, at usable volumes.

Cheers.............wahwah
 
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