Is says made in USA Gibson SG with P90 pickups $199 including shipping

[bloomfieldriffs]

How do you know that the next guitar you buy is legit? Stuck buying from authorized dealers and hoping they aren't sneaking a china job on you? It is going to get more and more difficult as time goes on unless something is done.

 

[beaubrummels]

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Truss rod cover is not Gibson. Middle tuners are offset to each other. Knob layout, pickguard and pickups are not Gibson either.

That fake is easy to spot. If you were fooled by it, you need to get to know the actual Gibson guitar better before you spend your money.

 

[Rand-O-Monium]

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The fakes are getting closer-ish....
Pretty much "anything" w/flathead br screws is a dead giveaway,knob placement,etc
More peeps here that can/will add.

Buy an Epi.
Or 2.

 

[crusty philtrum]

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Offer the seller $1400 and you'll feel much better about it.

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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The switch placement is wrong. The logo and crown inlay also appear to have been done in white plastic which is wrong. Every Gibson logo I've ever seen has been done in pearloid at least.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

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I think they make the little changes on purpose..they're hardly that tough to correct. Pretty sure they could (for about $2.50 :laugh2 make those changes so no one would ever know the difference if they really wanted to...

 

[AlexR]

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Body shape, body bevel, no nibs, no wings on headstock....the list goes on

 

[Mincer]

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I don't understand: if you are going to copy the logo and model name, why fall short on everything else? Just do it right the first time! These aren't even good copies!

 

[bloomfieldriffs]

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Good eyes all of you. The only thing I really noticed was the logo in plastic not pearloid. But what I was really getting at was the China companies marking "made in USA" and using the Gibson logo. I don't know if they made the differences on purpose which is a very insightful point by Phantasmagoria or if they are just in the early stages and soon will be selling copies that are much closer. There are many companies doing this with a variety of guitars and if making the noted refinements will increase their sales some will do it.

 

[Silence Kid]

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I have no eye for Gibsons, the way I do for some Fenders; I don't know the details of particular models, etc. Even to someone like me, at first glance the knobs/headstock inlays look "wrong." It also looks like it's finished in that really puffy, glossy, sticky finish.

Agreed, anyone looking to buy a Gibson better have done their research before the purchase... For $200 , it probably is not worse than most guitars in that range, if you can look past the dubious ethics of ever trying to sell it.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

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I don't understand: if you are going to copy the logo and model name, why fall short on everything else? Just do it right the first time! These aren't even good copies!

Maybe it gives them some way to exploit some legal loophole should there ever be a real problem? I mean they do it with everything (pedals, bridges, pickups) and it's obviously intentional. Lol, maybe it's from some sense of propriety? My guess is they don't want to go the whole hog because as long as there are fairly obvious differences Fender, Gibson, PRS etc (or all the other brands they copy..everything from Nike's to Luis Vuitton) won't find it worth their while (expense) to really go after them hammer & tongs..

Whatever the reason, it's not that they can't see where to put the knobs/switches etc..

 

[Johnny the Kid]

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Good eyes all of you. The only thing I really noticed was the logo in plastic not pearloid. But what I was really getting at was the China companies marking "made in USA" and using the Gibson logo. I don't know if they made the differences on purpose which is a very insightful point by Phantasmagoria or if they are just in the early stages and soon will be selling copies that are much closer. There are many companies doing this with a variety of guitars and if making the noted refinements will increase their sales some will do it.

There are going to be people who buy the guitar because it says Gibson and they don't believe that counterfeits can get to them. That's the market for guitars like these.

 

[AlexR]

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Good eyes all of you. The only thing I really noticed was the logo in plastic not pearloid. But what I was really getting at was the China companies marking "made in USA" and using the Gibson logo. I don't know if they made the differences on purpose which is a very insightful point by Phantasmagoria or if they are just in the early stages and soon will be selling copies that are much closer. There are many companies doing this with a variety of guitars and if making the noted refinements will increase their sales some will do it.

Well, the knockoffs have been going on for many many years, maybe into decades.
If one company was going to 'perfect' it or a new one come into the market with an accurate 'fake' then you'd think they'd have done so before now. I mean all you have to do is buy a real LP and copy that if you were actually wanting to get the details right.

 

[backporchpicker]

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all it would take is a greedy round eyes businessman or company to work a deal out for "undetectable" copies and it would happen and may be happening already. I would say that the probability of this happening is very high as there are so many internet shopping sites to unload the product.

 

[Mincer]

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I don't think a lawsuit would be less if it 'almost' looked like a real Gibson (with a Gibson logo) vs if it was a direct 1-to-1 copy. I'd take my chances and do it right rather than this half-done version.

 

[AlexR]

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^ adding to the above, small time makers have been sent the cease and desist for much less accurate builds than this. The open book headstock or a MOP that is in the same font as Gibson uses is enough.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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I see they finally learned to not stamp the serial after it was painted :lol:

But if the price doesn't clue you in, you deserve to get ripped off. Seriously, $200 for a USA Gibson? Not since 1958 maybe, and that was your yearly salary.

 

[AniML]

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Good eyes all of you. The only thing I really noticed was the logo in plastic not pearloid. But what I was really getting at was the China companies marking "made in USA" and using the Gibson logo. I don't know if they made the differences on purpose which is a very insightful point by Phantasmagoria or if they are just in the early stages and soon will be selling copies that are much closer. There are many companies doing this with a variety of guitars and if making the noted refinements will increase their sales some will do it.

You know what I noticed? Its a Gibson for $200... Isnt that enough of a red flag? You know, "if it seems too good to be true..."

 

[Mincer]

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I just think it is laughable that no one looked up online what an actual Gibson looked like. The East has been ripping off the fashion industry for years with excellent copies. There is just no excuse for sloppy work like this.

 

[backporchpicker]

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There is another view to investigate. Is the Gibson really worth anywhere near $1500, if not what is it worth if you remove the value added by the name? The china guitar has noticeable configuration differences but how much different is China mahogany from Gibson mahogany I don't think there can be much difference at all I am aware there are other considerations but I bring up only one for the sake of brevity. So we come to a point where we need to actually play and hear the China copy and to some A B testing to make any final call