Is the EVH pickup a scam?
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TheArchitect
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
Don't be so sure about that. I've had hardcore Marshall types who loved to condemn all things Line 6 convinced my POD was a Plexi based on sound clips. People have way of hearing with their eyes
Zerberus said:I agree with you, but....Re EVH and PG
Having used and heard both, I´m 100% sure that even a few non-guitarists could
Don't be so sure about that. I've had hardcore Marshall types who loved to condemn all things Line 6 convinced my POD was a Plexi based on sound clips. People have way of hearing with their eyes
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TheProphet
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
LOL ... you should hear my Uberschall clone setting on the Line 6 ... I nearly shat myself when I was fooling around with the controls and got scarily close to Lynch's Uberschall tone on this clip
http://www.bogneramplification.com/GeorgeLynch1c.mp3
LOL ... you should hear my Uberschall clone setting on the Line 6 ... I nearly shat myself when I was fooling around with the controls and got scarily close to Lynch's Uberschall tone on this clip
http://www.bogneramplification.com/GeorgeLynch1c.mp3
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TheArchitect
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
I have both. If you spend much time recording you learn quickly there is no magic. The mic don't lie.It sounds good or it doesn't and this is my point exactly. We are the only ones who care about this stuff. The people listening to the music we make (the ones who really matter) don't know, can't tell and don't care. Plug in and play.
FretFire said:
I have both. If you spend much time recording you learn quickly there is no magic. The mic don't lie.It sounds good or it doesn't and this is my point exactly. We are the only ones who care about this stuff. The people listening to the music we make (the ones who really matter) don't know, can't tell and don't care. Plug in and play.
FretFire
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
I have to disagree. You can manipulate recorded sounds so much in the studio after you lay a track down, it's truly ridiculous. That's the very reason I won't ever go by online sounds clips alone when considering an amp purchase.
TheArchitect said:
I have to disagree. You can manipulate recorded sounds so much in the studio after you lay a track down, it's truly ridiculous. That's the very reason I won't ever go by online sounds clips alone when considering an amp purchase.
FretFire
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
Also, from a player's standpoint, if I'm not happy with the tones I hear coming from my amp on stage I'll probably spend more time thinking what needs to be changed instead of just playing and concentrating on the music. Sure 90% of the people watching wouldn't know a Bogner from a Mode 4, but I sure will. If the player is happy with his tone he'll put on a better show.
Also, from a player's standpoint, if I'm not happy with the tones I hear coming from my amp on stage I'll probably spend more time thinking what needs to be changed instead of just playing and concentrating on the music. Sure 90% of the people watching wouldn't know a Bogner from a Mode 4, but I sure will. If the player is happy with his tone he'll put on a better show.
Buckcherry
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
The EVH is just a great sounding pickup at any price. I have two and they're worth every penny. Donkey...you'll just have to try one and see for yourself. :13:
The EVH is just a great sounding pickup at any price. I have two and they're worth every penny. Donkey...you'll just have to try one and see for yourself. :13:
Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
Well, I will finally weigh in on this since no one seems to have hit some basic ideas.
What makes a production pickup different than a custom shop pickup?
Don't spend time worrying about tone or hand made or materials, etc.
Think about it as a business: marketing, production and sales.
To make a pickup and mass market it, there are costs involved in distribution, materials, surplus stock and packaging. One has to weigh the demand versus the costs. If there is not enough demand for a particular pickup, it makes ZERO financial sense to mass produce it no matter how much a few wankers love it.
Look at the Phat Cats. They were available only in Hamers or Custom Shop previously. It was determined, obviously, that the P90 in a humbucker size was a mass market. I'd be interested in what the Phat Cat sales are. But, it's really none of my business.
If there were enough people ready to plunk down the cash for 78/EVH pickups, they'd be in normal production in a heart beat. It's just a business decision.
There is no scam, no fraud, no mystery. Not enough of the general guitar public is buying enough of these to justify all the costs associated. Business 101. I realize that some of you dont have a lot of real life business experience, so please just take my attempts at education with the spirit of goodwill from which it was generated.
Peace out.
Well, I will finally weigh in on this since no one seems to have hit some basic ideas.
What makes a production pickup different than a custom shop pickup?
Don't spend time worrying about tone or hand made or materials, etc.
Think about it as a business: marketing, production and sales.
To make a pickup and mass market it, there are costs involved in distribution, materials, surplus stock and packaging. One has to weigh the demand versus the costs. If there is not enough demand for a particular pickup, it makes ZERO financial sense to mass produce it no matter how much a few wankers love it.
Look at the Phat Cats. They were available only in Hamers or Custom Shop previously. It was determined, obviously, that the P90 in a humbucker size was a mass market. I'd be interested in what the Phat Cat sales are. But, it's really none of my business.
If there were enough people ready to plunk down the cash for 78/EVH pickups, they'd be in normal production in a heart beat. It's just a business decision.
There is no scam, no fraud, no mystery. Not enough of the general guitar public is buying enough of these to justify all the costs associated. Business 101. I realize that some of you dont have a lot of real life business experience, so please just take my attempts at education with the spirit of goodwill from which it was generated.
Peace out.
danglybanger
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
not to flog this thread more... but isn't the CC the one actually designed with input from EVH?
slade
not to flog this thread more... but isn't the CC the one actually designed with input from EVH?
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
Donkey, I'll give you some advise. This is a good forum, full of good information, and people that'll help you when you have a question. Word your question is such a way that invites a good answer, and you'll get one. Act cokky, and you'll get nothing but a barrage of flameage! If it was up to me, the 78 would be a production model. I agree with you!!![/QUOTE]
Thank you for speaking your mind... and from now on I'll take your advice!
FWIW – I never meant to insult the quality of Seymour Duncan products. I really like them. And I apologize that some of my replies became childish and I was trying to lighten the mood. I honestly didn't expect the amount of negativity this thread generated. Enough said!
Donkey, I'll give you some advise. This is a good forum, full of good information, and people that'll help you when you have a question. Word your question is such a way that invites a good answer, and you'll get one. Act cokky, and you'll get nothing but a barrage of flameage! If it was up to me, the 78 would be a production model. I agree with you!!![/QUOTE]
Thank you for speaking your mind... and from now on I'll take your advice!
FWIW – I never meant to insult the quality of Seymour Duncan products. I really like them. And I apologize that some of my replies became childish and I was trying to lighten the mood. I honestly didn't expect the amount of negativity this thread generated. Enough said!
Nite_Maresz_25
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
my parents ate donkey (meat) when they were in china [/
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And I highly dought its a scam.
Scott_F said:Shrek, shrek, shrek... what about the donkey?
my parents ate donkey (meat) when they were in china [/
fftopic: ]And I highly dought its a scam.
BigBazz
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
i think donkey you are wrong, its not a scam, if it was named something else then it would not change the price, nor would it male the pickup any less popular. im sure you would have nothing to complain about if it was called the 78, and the price wouldent bother you, in the end if you dont like the price dont buy it. a mesa boogie dual rect costs twice as much as a marshall tsl here in the uk (sometimes more than 2 times as much) but that doesnt stop people buying the mesa if thats the sound they like.
i paid the equivelant of $152 for my full shred here in the uk is that a scam? i think it was worth every bit as much as i paid for it even though i paid a lot more than people in the Us would, because its a good sounding pickup, and also on the subject of EVH i bought a Peavey 5150, but i dont think anyone including myself who bought a 5150 thought, yay im gonna sound like eddie van halen, also i have an ibanez jem, but i didnt ever think, yay i can be steve vai now, i dont happen to like the Evo pickups in the jem and if i found the right pickup for an over the odds price then its still worth it, if its the right pickup.
i think if seymour duncan wanted to make money out of scamming people into thinking that the EVH was the eddie van halen pickup, to make money they would have put it as a production pickup quite some time ago.
i think donkey you are wrong, its not a scam, if it was named something else then it would not change the price, nor would it male the pickup any less popular. im sure you would have nothing to complain about if it was called the 78, and the price wouldent bother you, in the end if you dont like the price dont buy it. a mesa boogie dual rect costs twice as much as a marshall tsl here in the uk (sometimes more than 2 times as much) but that doesnt stop people buying the mesa if thats the sound they like.
i paid the equivelant of $152 for my full shred here in the uk is that a scam? i think it was worth every bit as much as i paid for it even though i paid a lot more than people in the Us would, because its a good sounding pickup, and also on the subject of EVH i bought a Peavey 5150, but i dont think anyone including myself who bought a 5150 thought, yay im gonna sound like eddie van halen, also i have an ibanez jem, but i didnt ever think, yay i can be steve vai now, i dont happen to like the Evo pickups in the jem and if i found the right pickup for an over the odds price then its still worth it, if its the right pickup.
i think if seymour duncan wanted to make money out of scamming people into thinking that the EVH was the eddie van halen pickup, to make money they would have put it as a production pickup quite some time ago.
rspst14
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
Nope...the only pickups Eddie has had a hand in designing are the EB Musicman pickups and the Peavey Wolfgang pickups...and of course, the ones he rewound himself back in the old days. The CC is a decent approximation of his tone on the 1984 album, which has led some people to speculate that he used a CC. I doubt it though, I don't even think the CC was around back then.
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danglybanger said:
Nope...the only pickups Eddie has had a hand in designing are the EB Musicman pickups and the Peavey Wolfgang pickups...and of course, the ones he rewound himself back in the old days. The CC is a decent approximation of his tone on the 1984 album, which has led some people to speculate that he used a CC. I doubt it though, I don't even think the CC was around back then.
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theodie
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Re: Is the EVH pickup a scam?
The CC and the 78 sound similar to me.rspst14 said:
revolution
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How did this old thread end up in the top?
How did this old thread end up in the top?
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