Japanese made messed-up production

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Edgecrusher said:
Gotta hand it to the OP though who would have guessed that a space cadet post like that would have gotten this good of a reaction.
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Easy.

At first you define your field of interest and select your both dictionary and audience accordingly.

Then, a proper ranttage comprises of both undisputed facts and bold statements looking like ones. Mix and stir them up both to appear as a collection of shameless unconcluded claims for others to finish, in good or bad.

Lastly, put it all on display on Friday.

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What I did not anticipate was the apparent reaction towards the use of term "jap". I'm sorry for that.

To be honest, my japanese friends have never reacted like that, on the contrary, they tend sometimes to use that "abbreviation" themselves.

Nevertheless, I will from now on refrain myself from using that term.

Samu
 
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You're welcome.

Sometimes you just gotta throw a hissy fit.

I love Japanese guitars. I think most of us understood bits and pieces of what you were trying to say, but the big-picture view was eluding us for some reason.
 
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Jessie's ghost said:
I love Japanese guitars. I think most of us understood bits and pieces of what you were trying to say, but the big-picture view was eluding us for some reason.
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I hope you and me are allright after all this. Honestly I did not know in this detail how it would develop here. My japanese friends seem to be allright though.

Like said, I have been lurking this forum and other similar forums for a while now. (BTW, have you all any idea how influential this forum is?)

I will not point my finger at anyone, but based on what I've seen here I have a feeling here is a about of handful of people as members who would really know how the things were back then, first-hand.

I love japanese made Charvels, especially Model 4s. The only thing I love more is my wife and my two kids.

I guess this was not still enough.

Thank you All for your attention. I honestly appreciate it.

Samu
 
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samu said:
This, is this finally a piece of first-hand information?

Samu
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Not first hand as neither Newc nor I were there, but it is a well documented part of a well documented era in Jackson /CHarvel history ;)
 
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aleclee said:
I'm sure anyone ragging on samu's English could compose a multi-paragraph post in Finnish (or any other non-native language).
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I could absolutely do it in Spanish. Of course, the whole thing would be about Juan and Rosa looking for the blue shoes. And it would be on a first-grade reading level.
 
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samu said:
(BTW, have you all any idea how influential this forum is?)
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Actually, no, I don't.

Aside from instigating a few new Duncan pickup models, and in some way the more-widespread use of Alnico 8 in higher-output passive pickups, I guess I always assumed we operated in our own little internet backwater around here...

Can you elaborate?
 
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Man, what a read...I am Japanese, 3rd generation and my family has been through the bad stuff. I still hate that word, but I am glad to see the OP make peace and others explain the unintentional use of the word so no harm meant. JG, much respect, but there are a few posters I have lost all respect for...I absolutely love my Japanese LPs...yeah, the USA one too (getting a fret level)
 
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butnut said:
but there are a few posters I have lost all respect for..
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If that comment is directed towards me, oh well, This is just some internet forum and I don't lose any sleep over what people think. But you (and anyone else) are sadly mistaken if you think I am some kind of racist based on what I was posting.
 
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JeffB said:
If that comment is directed towards me, oh well, This is just some internet forum and I don't lose any sleep over what people think. But you (and anyone else) are sadly mistaken if you think I am some kind of racist based on what I was posting.
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I may be naive, but I would find it hard to believe any musician is a racist, considering it takes an open mind to play music, listen to other musicians, etc. So I'm pretty confident no one on this forum meant anything insulting in the use of terms.

Objectively, "jap" probably started as just an abbreviation. So probably did "nip", as it's the same thing in French. However, you can't just look at words in a vacuum and ignore how the use of terms has developed over the years. Even the "n" word probably started as either a short form or some dialect/regionalism, mixing french, english or spanish. But I think we're all in agreement we can live without that word now. Similarly, "jap" can't be looked at today without the context of some nasty 1900s anti-immigration to North America/WWII bigotry. Unlike "brit", which has never been anything but a shortened form of british, and is used by those people themselves.

So, as much as shorthand forms are great when typing, I think we should dump the term. MIJ is just as easy to type. Even if "jap" is meant without any malice and purely a descriptor, I can tell you, from growing up in a part of Canada with a large Japanese-Canadian population, it is offensive to most people of that heritage. In fact, around here, it's a good word to use if you want to start a fight.

V.
 
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Zerberus said:
Not first hand as neither Newc nor I were there, but it is a well documented part of a well documented era in Jackson /CHarvel history ;)
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Okay, I am interested. How do we proceed from here?

Samu
 
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butnut said:
Man, what a read...I am Japanese, 3rd generation and my family has been through the bad stuff. I still hate that word, but I am glad to see the OP make peace and others explain the unintentional use of the word so no harm meant. JG, much respect, but there are a few posters I have lost all respect for...I absolutely love my Japanese LPs...yeah, the USA one too (getting a fret level)
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Dude, if I could find an open book hs Japanese LPC with a real ebony board...man...
 
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butnut said:
Man, what a read...I am Japanese, 3rd generation and my family has been through the bad stuff. I still hate that word, but I am glad to see the OP make peace and others explain the unintentional use of the word so no harm meant.
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It's good if you and me are allright from now on.

However I want to clear some way for you here. It is for your own good, that's how I feel. Like in the case you suddenly find yourself abroad.

My japanese friends reside in Osaka, Fukuoka and in Tokyo (and here I do not mean those wacky F*ckedGaijin expat forumites. They are mostly cool though).

Butnut: I give you a couple of details why it did / still does not matter on my behalf. It's gonna be wide and weird...my trademark.

I embrace japanese manji, and why not, for both the Presidential Seat of Finland and Finnish Air Force (USA-made F/A-18 Hornets) embrace the blue Hakaristi. I can also visit a conbini in Shinjuku and buy a T-shirt where the emblem covers more that half of the fabric. I can wear it on streets, it's not awkward, but OK. Other passerbys only give me glances like, "big blonde is showing off with his luck, huh".

Both my japanese Shinto and Buddhist friends share my formal Evangelic Lutheran opinion considering for example Nazi Swastika: It is the same as someone took a Christian Cross, painted it in black, and turned it upside down. We Finns are not known of being too religious followers of Christianity, however, blasphemy is not accepted.

Finally, when those english-speaking japanese guys learned that I'm really from Finland, their attitude changed quite suddenly. Can you guess why?

This is an American based forum. I indeed acknowledge that. But this is also a thread I started, therefore I take certain responsibility to take care of it.

Hm. I can't foresee what will happen due to this apparently weird reply.

Samu
 
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voggin said:
I may be naive, but I would find it hard to believe any musician is a racist, considering it takes an open mind to play music, listen to other musicians, etc.
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I think you give your fellow musicians too much credit. Guitarists in particular are among the most closed-minded people I can imagine. How many guitarists poo poo an instrument that isn't shaped like a Strat, LP, or Tele? How many guitarists embrace the idea of an amp that doesn't have tubes? Why do bass come in so many wood choices relative to guitars?

We must have very different ideas of what constitutes an "open mind".
 
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aleclee said:
I think you give your fellow musicians too much credit. Guitarists in particular are among the most closed-minded people I can imagine. How many guitarists poo poo an instrument that isn't shaped like a Strat, LP, or Tele? How many guitarists embrace the idea of an amp that doesn't have tubes? Why do bass come in so many wood choices relative to guitars?

We must have very different ideas of what constitutes an "open mind".
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Okay, fair enough. There's a saying of Robert Conquest's that "everyone is a reactionary about things they know anything about", and that probably goes some way to explain the conservative attitudes toward gear exhibited by lots of players.

But even the "I won't play anything but a Les Paul with seth lovers" set probably listen to (or at least try out) all sorts of music, and play with musicians from all over. I think "gear conservatism" is more akin to general wonker/nerdism than bigotry. More like people arguing the merits of old versus new Star Trek than prejudice in a political or racial sense.
 
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Samu, I still have a hard time understanding your words, but I get the jist of it. Not sure how old/young you and your friends are, but I'm def old enough to remember, and I'm sure with each generation, the stigma will fade away.
My words may have been misunderstood too...I'm not calling anyone here a racist. I don't believe anyone here is. This forum is one of the few where the 'brotherhood' of tone, seems a lot more family like. We all came here to seek and share advise, to help each other out, sometimes in more ways than one. I have some good friends here who I never met. I read this thread like everyone else outta curiosity..Japanese and 'messed up' made me :scratchch ...I saw the Jap word, and although it struck a nerve, I could tell it was not used in a mean-spirited way...as it progressed, JG made a simple request, and further explained his thoughts. What followed was some chest-thumping and free-speech and abbreviation comparisons and mean spirited remarks. Racist, NO, but were is the sensitivity of respecting a brothers request? Isn't the 2nd rule in Seymour's House 'Keep it RESPECTFUL'? If you are not Japanese, and do not understand the 'other' meaning of Jap, there were posts explaining the how and why that word strikes a nerve. I would 'think' any member of the SDUGF would be willing to be polite enough to type MIJ or Japanese, since it offends a few here. WE all like this place....right?
 
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