JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

[vinnie1971]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

I was going to say that the Super 2 just didn't seem like a good choice.

PAF Pro for something more modern and full, PAF Joe or Sentient for a little more vintage, PG for something classic. The PAF Pro has a great split sound, as does the PG. I'm not as sure about the other two, but they have things working in their favor for a good split sound. If you don't wish to split, I recommend '50s wiring for the neck with a 500k linear taper volume and 500k audio taper for the tone. All will work great for a single-channel amp, dialed to clip when pushed.

I was thinking super 2 was not the one as well.
Interesting you recommend linear for volume on the neck, is that for more gradual roll off compared to the bridge fir the in between tones, due to the SD being so much hotter?




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[Joey Voltage]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

I was thinking super 2 was not the one as well.
Interesting you recommend linear for volume on the neck, is that for more gradual roll off compared to the bridge fir the in between tones, due to the SD being so much hotter?




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No, linear taper will make it behave like it has been turned higher in Comparison to audio taper (logarithmic). Humans hear increases logarithmically, so a linear taper volume set to 5 is going to sound like an audio pot set to 8.

 

[gregory]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

With '50s wiring, backing the volume off to 8 is about as loud as the volume at 3 or 4 with modern wiring when using audio taper.

 

[vinnie1971]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

With '50s wiring, backing the volume off to 8 is about as loud as the volume at 3 or 4 with modern wiring when using audio taper.

It's already got linear volume and audio pots from the factory so I'll go 50s wiring.
But, I have 2 spare 500k linear push pulls - I might put those in as volume pots to do inner / outer coil split / series parallel....


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[vinnie1971]

JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

No, linear taper will make it behave like it has been turned higher in Comparison to audio taper (logarithmic). Humans hear increases logarithmically, so a linear taper volume set to 5 is going to sound like an audio pot set to 8.

I find linear more suble and progressive and audio more abrupt when rolling back.

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[vinnie1971]

JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

They super D and PAF pro are on their way. I'll update once they are in - still undecided whether to keep it simple or do inner / outer coil split & series /parallel.

I have songs written for humbucker and single coil parts and it doesn't work with just a single coil or just a humbucker guitar - I use my fat HSH strat with coil splits for that for playing out. But getting an LP to get Tele/strat tones would be cool.


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[Hank-]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

:bigok:

Just keep the superD little away from the strings, it gives it a hot rod paf sorta vibe, well kinda, hard to say. One more vid I'll add that I liked. I didn't understand if the guitar here has dual superDs or one super2 in neck, either ways it does sound cool.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=goYAW1JkpK4

 

[Joey Voltage]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

:bigok:

Just keep the superD little away from the strings, it gives it a hot rod paf sorta vibe, well kinda, hard to say. One more vid I'll add that I liked. I didn't understand if the guitar here has dual superDs or one super2 in neck, either ways it does sound cool.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=goYAW1JkpK4

Yup, that's them for sure! They really are cool a sounding pickup and probably why they have been around for 40 years.

 

[vinnie1971]

JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

Wow!!!!!

Super distortion and PAF pro. Awesome tones!

I just dropped them into the existing harness and swapped to 50s wiring and this combo sounds incredible!!! I love it, even the clean tones are great, fat with s big bump in the mid range and enough bite in the trebles.

I may get round to making a harness for inner / outer coil splits coils in series/parallel but got now I am just digging my LP which now sounds like an LP should. How did I endure those Epiphone pickups this long ?!


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[Joey Voltage]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

Totally! And you get very little if any of that distinct ceramic harshness with them.

 

[vinnie1971]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

Totally! And you get very little if any of that distinct ceramic harshness with them.

Yes, I'm really surprised about that. It's like a hot PAF and it sounds vintage. I love it.


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[Aceman]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

Thanks all for your inputs.
Looks like I'm choosing between:
Super a Distortion and PAF pro
JB and Jazz N
Or whole lotta humbuckers....


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No you are not! You are choosing between;

Super 2 / Super D
Super D / Super D
Super 2 / Tone Zone

 

[vinnie1971]

JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

No you are not! You are choosing between;

Super 2 / Super D
Super D / Super D
Super 2 / Tone Zone

Super D won, but it does sound good with the PAF pro....

My favourite pickups now, and o am amazed how good they sound clean too. The super D is darned versatile!

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[vinnie1971]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

I didn't like the mismatch black poles in the PAF pro and chrome in the SD. But just happened to have poles in black got the SD. Exact match.

Looks good like this I think

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[Joey Voltage]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

I usually just leave them since your hand usually covers the bridge pickups when you are playing anyway.

 

[Aceman]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

Super D won, but it does sound good with the PAF pro....

My favourite pickups now, and o am amazed how good they sound clean too. The super D is darned versatile!

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Did I say PAF Pro / Super D.....no. Now go back and read my post and try again.

 

[vinnie1971]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

Did I say PAF Pro / Super D.....no. Now go back and read my post and try again.

I nearly did but in the absence of any super 2 sound samples I don't know how it sounds. But plenty of PAF pro samples and I like what hear.

I know a PAF pro isn't quite period correct for 1970s but I think it sounds good with the super D. Why do you say no to this match? I respect your opinion and while I do like the PAF pro, i think it could be brighter ( but does sound plenty bright with coils in parallel though).

The store has a returns policy, would you advise I return and exchange for a super 2?


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[Hank-]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

^ Seems like super2 is brighter than the paf pro so you may like it. I guess in parallel it would be even more brighter. It will be louder too & should match the superD in output, going with the eq chart.

I posted a vid up somewhere, that guitar has dual superd's i bet & the neck sounded clear enough but it's an old combo & the super2 might be a better match in neck. The paf & superD combo is an old classic too.

You could use the return policy to try a different neck pup I guess if the PPro isn't happening for you.

 

[vinnie1971]

JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

^ Seems like super2 is brighter than the paf pro so you may like it. I guess in parallel it would be even more brighter. It will be louder too & should match the superD in output, going with the eq chart.

I posted a vid up somewhere, that guitar has dual superd's i bet & the neck sounded clear enough but it's an old combo & the super2 might be a better match in neck. The paf & superD combo is an old classic too.

You could use the return policy to try a different neck pup I guess if the PPro isn't happening for you.

I like the SD and PAF pro combo - it's bright enough but the PAF pro could be a little brighter - but I have 2 rows of hex poles to adjust.. I guess it's that mid range focus, but that's what I wanted. It's by no means muddy, plus I have inner / outer coil splitting plus put the humbucker coils in parallel so dark is not an issue. I find the balance between the SD and PAF pro perfect - while the PAF pro is classed as medium output the pickup heights are set similarly to my Flying V with 498T and 490R ( albeit it lower overall - I did not need to bring the PAF pro closer to the strings than the SD as I thought I might to balance the volume between pickups)
I think I need to spend a little time dialling them in with height and pole piece adjustments. I think for now I am going to stick with the combo. I'd hate to return for an exchange and fund I prefer it anyway....

I do have Maxon Super 2 clones in an old 1970s Cushin Gakki guitar and they are quite shrill harsh and clanky sounding with 500k pots - I did have coil splits but took them off - too ice pick - I ended up putting 250k pots and they sound really good like that.


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[Hank-]

Re: JB and Jazz neck vs dimarzio super distortion and super 2

Thats all good then. I don't think the PPro would be muddy in the neck either, just midrangy sorta but not in a bad way. I like the contrast I get between the sh59n & SuperD. The middle position with the Super in parallel mode sounds interesting too, actually even the superd when in series the clean sounds are very good in the middle spot.

I also find it extremely strange that DiMarzio could not find any artist sound clip from their camp that uses the Super2 in the intended neck position considering how old that pickup is today. The vids I had found on youtube had it in the bridge spot mostly too.