jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

oh and as a consideration something that can be coil split and have enough punch in single mode...do the 59's fit this? I know they are not that high output. thanks all I really appreciate the help.
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

Oooh... coil split will not work for the normal 59's. They don't have the modern 4-conductor wires. You can order them with 4-conductor wiring, but a set will cost $164 (floor customs) rather than $130.

The 59's sound alright split, but it's mostly just the '59 sound, but missing some harmonics, and with more definition for chording. The low output part isn't really a big deal.
 
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Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

ok so the jb might need some knob tweaking to sound good but would split nicely and the 59 would not split nicely or sound as good split but might be a better match off the bat in a semi hollow. I don't see the vintage blues set on the gc site (I do see it elsewhere) I may see if they will simply match those prices and let my bud return the jb/jazz.

so I have concluded I think he would be better off with a 59 bridge...that leaves the neck...

jazz or 59 matched with a 59 bridge in all probability. I know the jazz is known to be fairly articulate...would the 59 neck sound muddy again in a 335 copy?
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

ok so the jb might need some knob tweaking to sound good but would split nicely and the 59 would not split nicely or sound as good split but might be a better match off the bat in a semi hollow. I don't see the vintage blues set on the gc site (I do see it elsewhere) I may see if they will simply match those prices and let my bud return the jb/jazz.

so I have concluded I think he would be better off with a 59 bridge...that leaves the neck...

jazz or 59 matched with a 59 bridge in all probability. I know the jazz is known to be fairly articulate...would the 59 neck sound muddy again in a 335 copy?

The JazzN is a great neck PU, not quite as boomy on the bass as a '59N; I use both PU's myself, but I like plenty of low end (not everyone does). Both of these are 1950's PAF type's with A5 magnets, which give good treble & clarity.

For splitting, you need 4 conductor wires (plus ground). If you have the single lead (plus ground) you can't access both coils to shut one off. Just about any HB splits well in the neck, as that position is loud & warm (ample string vibration). In the neck, a low ohm HB will usually be bright to begin with, and very bright split. Maybe you'll need to dial down the tone control. One thing that helps is in coil cut to keep the bridge's slug coil on rather than the screw coil (a little more warmth & volume). For example, one coil of a JB has about 8,000 ohms, which is just about what both coils of a '59B have combined. Everything else being equal, as you add windings to a coil, it will gradually increase the resistance (ohms), add volume & midrange, and reduce the treble & clarity. Extra windings are good for a bridge PU, but not necessarily for a neck. But different PU's are wound differently. The thinner wire gauge and narrow coils in a JB help give it that distinctive ice pick sound in spite of the extra windings.

A '59 pair or a '59B/JazzN combo are very good combinations, and work well for many players on this forum. You won't hear many guys complaining about them. Nice cleans & very good with overdrive. These have a higher success rate than a JB. All I'm trying to do is increase your odds of getting it right on the first shot, especially if you're paying a tech.
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

thank you blueman you really seem to know your stuff. so I am going to call guitar center and see if they will match the "hotrodded humbucker set" (jb/jazz) that they sell in an exchange for a set if 59's. and not even worry about coil splitting.

so 59 bridge/neck it will be in the semi hollow, provided they will make the exchange.
 
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The thinner wire gauge and narrow coils in a JB help give it that distinctive ice pick sound in spite of the extra windings.

As I and many others have noted many times, the JB with 250k pots (or a 500k tone knob turned down a bit) is a warm, smooth pickup that is really not bright compared to most Duncans. Lew even compared it to a guitar with a CC and 500k pots, and the JB was warmer.
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

As I and many others have noted many times, the JB with 250k pots (or a 500k tone knob turned down a bit) is a warm, smooth pickup that is really not bright compared to most Duncans. Lew even compared it to a guitar with a CC and 500k pots, and the JB was warmer.

although I don't understand a word you just said I agree totally.
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

ok question based on hanumanlangur's thoughts

if the jb is put in how much does it cost to switch to 250 pots with a push pull on it to turn it into a single coil? just to make sure the tech is not taking us on this. also would the suggestion be to switch the pots on the jazz to 250 also? I am not very techie on this and don't even really know what the difference between 250 vrs 500 in pots are. but if its not alot of work or money I figure I might just then switch the pots and get the coil split on the jb...
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

Standard pots will cost a few dollars apiece. A push-pull pot will cost a bit more. If you're having a tech do it, the labor should cost more than the pots/caps. Incidentally, the guitar may very well have 500k pots already in it (many guitars do), so it may be unnecessary. In that case, just swapping the capacitors and installing the pickups would save time and money.

The Jazz is best with 500k pots and a 0.022uf cap. The JB can be done with either 250k or 500k pots, and a 0.022uf cap. 500k will be bright with the tone knob maxed, while 250k will essentially be 500k turned down. If you're the type who likes warm tones and wants to keep the tone control maxed, use 250k for the JB. Otherwise, the 500k will give a lot of flexibility.

Audio taper pots are a must for volume controls, but most people would agree that tone controls are best with linear taper pots. This is where I tend to get my pots/caps from:

http://guitarpartsresource.com/electrical_ctspots.htm
http://guitarpartsresource.com/electrical_pushpullpots.htm
http://guitarpartsresource.com/electrical_capsmallory.htm

Hope this helps.
 
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Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

thanks, when you day playing 50/50 you mean with the pickup selector in the middle? or you mean with both split? not sure what you mean. also if the jazz is low input, isn't that input cut in half when split? cause in that case it seems it would be lower output split then even the lowest tele or strat vintage pickups?

Selector in the middle position with no splitting. I'll try to record something tomorrow or on Saturday showing you the tonal differences between split and non split JB and Jazz.

ok so the jb might need some knob tweaking to sound good but would split nicely and the 59 would not split nicely or sound as good split but might be a better match off the bat in a semi hollow. I don't see the vintage blues set on the gc site (I do see it elsewhere) I may see if they will simply match those prices and let my bud return the jb/jazz.

The JB splits better clean. The Jazz is very nice split. There isn't *that* much of a difference splitting the JB on distortion.
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

thank you everyone, he returned the jb/jazz and since they would not match the price is ordering a pair of 59 off musicians friend. I'll report back after this whole thing is done in a week or so. again thanks for your time and advise.
 
Re: jb jazz for an oscar schmidt semi hollow?

I would go for a Custom 3 with an air mod and Dimarzio pole pieces for the bridge and a reversed BG pickups Lizzard for the neck.
 
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