jimmyace2006
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Re: Jimmy Page #3
This is the red top 50s LP:
This is the red top 50s LP:
Jimmy Page #3
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Re: Jimmy Page #3
An interesting point to the `77 Redtop is that it might not be a `50's gold top that's been refinished. There was a very brief and very rare version of the Les Paul called the 1958 reissue that was a goldtop, BUT had `50's features. They were run in the very early `70's. There's an outside chance that the `77 Redtop was one of these.
This is the red top 50s LP:
An interesting point to the `77 Redtop is that it might not be a `50's gold top that's been refinished. There was a very brief and very rare version of the Les Paul called the 1958 reissue that was a goldtop, BUT had `50's features. They were run in the very early `70's. There's an outside chance that the `77 Redtop was one of these.
jimmyace2006
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Re: Jimmy Page #3
This topic has been discussed at length here:
http://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32451&hilit=custom+les+paul+red
See the post by huw on the 4th page, dated Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:57 pm
As for my own response, what you say is true, but that guitar had a transitional tenon, stop tail bridge, and P90s. So the tail piece and ABR-1 would have been a modification; and it would have to be routed for full sized humbuckers. It also had a 70s logo with a closed b and closed o. So if anyone can get a pic of the headstock it should be easy to verify. And they did not come in red. So the guitar would have been changed. This scenario is unlikely since Page bought a 1952 LP "in December 1974 from Mike Corby, a guitarist of the band "The Babys". Oddly enough, Corby was also involved in the car hobby too, and Page claimed a candy apple red Les Paul came from a hot rod guy as I mentioned above." from "http://wholelottaled.webs.com/guitars.htm" The 58 reissue had a 3 piece top; if the 77 red top has a 2 piece top, that would eliminate the reissue. Also, the logo on the 72 58 reissue was closer to the D and G tuners (see pic below); the 77 red top logo is closer to the top edge of the head.
Also, as Artie points out, "This was sent to me by a friend. His 1958 Red Les Paul.
IIRC, a few were made to see if they would be better accepted than the Goldtop, just before the transition to Sunburst."
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This topic has been discussed at length here:
http://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32451&hilit=custom+les+paul+red
See the post by huw on the 4th page, dated Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:57 pm
As for my own response, what you say is true, but that guitar had a transitional tenon, stop tail bridge, and P90s. So the tail piece and ABR-1 would have been a modification; and it would have to be routed for full sized humbuckers. It also had a 70s logo with a closed b and closed o. So if anyone can get a pic of the headstock it should be easy to verify. And they did not come in red. So the guitar would have been changed. This scenario is unlikely since Page bought a 1952 LP "in December 1974 from Mike Corby, a guitarist of the band "The Babys". Oddly enough, Corby was also involved in the car hobby too, and Page claimed a candy apple red Les Paul came from a hot rod guy as I mentioned above." from "http://wholelottaled.webs.com/guitars.htm" The 58 reissue had a 3 piece top; if the 77 red top has a 2 piece top, that would eliminate the reissue. Also, the logo on the 72 58 reissue was closer to the D and G tuners (see pic below); the 77 red top logo is closer to the top edge of the head.
Also, as Artie points out, "This was sent to me by a friend. His 1958 Red Les Paul.
IIRC, a few were made to see if they would be better accepted than the Goldtop, just before the transition to Sunburst."
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Re: Jimmy Page #3
I was heavily involved in that discussion on the forum and HUW happens to be a friend of mine. It was in fact HUW's suggestion (if I remember correctly) that it could have been a modified 58RI. Though I have always subscribed to the modifed `52-`55 theory personally. There was one of the rare 58RI's on ebay about a year ago or so .
This topic has been discussed at length here:
http://www.royal-orleans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32451&hilit=custom+les+paul+red
See the post by huw on the 4th page, dated Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:57 pm
As for my own response, what you say is true, but that guitar had a transitional tenon, stop tail bridge, and P90s. So the tail piece and ABR-1 would have been a modification; and it would have to be routed for full sized humbuckers. It also had a 70s logo with a closed b and closed o. So if anyone can get a pic of the headstock it should be easy to verify. And they did not come in red. So the guitar would have been changed. This scenario is unlikely since Page bought a 1952 LP "in December 1974 from Mike Corby, a guitarist of the band "The Babys". Oddly enough, Corby was also involved in the car hobby too, and Page claimed a candy apple red Les Paul came from a hot rod guy as I mentioned above." from "http://wholelottaled.webs.com/guitars.htm" The 58 reissue had a 3 piece top; if the 77 red top has a 2 piece top, that would eliminate the reissue. Also, the logo on the 72 58 reissue was closer to the D and G tuners (see pic below); the 77 red top logo is closer to the top edge of the head.
Also, as Artie points out, "This was sent to me by a friend. His 1958 Red Les Paul.
IIRC, a few were made to see if they would be better accepted than the Goldtop, just before the transition to Sunburst."
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I was heavily involved in that discussion on the forum and HUW happens to be a friend of mine. It was in fact HUW's suggestion (if I remember correctly) that it could have been a modified 58RI. Though I have always subscribed to the modifed `52-`55 theory personally. There was one of the rare 58RI's on ebay about a year ago or so .
jimmyace2006
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Re: Jimmy Page #3
I got mine:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/9411038/just_playing_around_on_a_2003_1957_reissue_les_paul_brazilian/
I got mine:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/9411038/just_playing_around_on_a_2003_1957_reissue_les_paul_brazilian/
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Bludave
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Personally I always felt that the Tele suited him better. The first two maybe three albums were recorded with this guitar and I think the tones that he captured with it are really amazing. I never really cared for his Les Paul tones as much as the stuff he did with this.
Personally I always felt that the Tele suited him better. The first two maybe three albums were recorded with this guitar and I think the tones that he captured with it are really amazing. I never really cared for his Les Paul tones as much as the stuff he did with this.
ItsaBass
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+10 billion
I think the first album was the only one fully recorded before he had the Lester.
+10 billion
I think the first album was the only one fully recorded before he had the Lester.
jimmyace2006
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Re: Jimmy Page #3
That is correct. The Tele was used a little on LZ2 and even more sparingly on the rest of the albums. Its mot notable appearance as everyone knows being the Stairway solo. And currently, the guitar is not as it was;
Jimmy Page Guitar World Interview in 1998:
"I still have it (referring to the Dragon Tele), but it’s a tragic story. I went on tour with the ’59 Les Paul that I bought from Joe Walsh, and when I got back, a friend of mine had kindly painted over my paint job. He said, "I’ve got a present for you.” He thought he had done me a real favor. As you can guess, I wasn't real happy about that. His paint job totally screwed up the sound and the wiring, so only the neck pickup worked. I salvaged the neck and put it on my brown Tele string bender that I used in the Firm. As for the body… it will never be seen again! (laughs)"
Oakland 1977
Knebworth 1979
That is correct. The Tele was used a little on LZ2 and even more sparingly on the rest of the albums. Its mot notable appearance as everyone knows being the Stairway solo. And currently, the guitar is not as it was;
Jimmy Page Guitar World Interview in 1998:
"I still have it (referring to the Dragon Tele), but it’s a tragic story. I went on tour with the ’59 Les Paul that I bought from Joe Walsh, and when I got back, a friend of mine had kindly painted over my paint job. He said, "I’ve got a present for you.” He thought he had done me a real favor. As you can guess, I wasn't real happy about that. His paint job totally screwed up the sound and the wiring, so only the neck pickup worked. I salvaged the neck and put it on my brown Tele string bender that I used in the Firm. As for the body… it will never be seen again! (laughs)"
Oakland 1977
Knebworth 1979
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Lewguitar
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I agree. First time I saw Jimmy Page he was playing that guitar. He was with the Yardbirds at the Michigan State Fairgrounds and then later at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit around 1967 or so. They were not very good that night at the Grande. No groove.
My favorite Zeppelin guitar tones are still on the first and second album. Especially the first album where Page was playing the Tele through his little Supro amp and miking it so perfectly that it sounded as fat as a Gibson.
I agree. First time I saw Jimmy Page he was playing that guitar. He was with the Yardbirds at the Michigan State Fairgrounds and then later at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit around 1967 or so. They were not very good that night at the Grande. No groove.
My favorite Zeppelin guitar tones are still on the first and second album. Especially the first album where Page was playing the Tele through his little Supro amp and miking it so perfectly that it sounded as fat as a Gibson.
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It is a maple fret board. Most likely glued to a maple neck. Not rosewood. Though he did later swap that neck out for the one that was on the Dragon Tele & had a rosewood fret board.
It is a maple fret board. Most likely glued to a maple neck. Not rosewood. Though he did later swap that neck out for the one that was on the Dragon Tele & had a rosewood fret board.
