Oldslowhand
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Has anyboby tried the jimmy page wireing at
deaf-eddie.net/pushpull/jp_setup.html
Or know's If it works? :help:
deaf-eddie.net/pushpull/jp_setup.html
Or know's If it works? :help:
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Jimmy Page Wireing
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Robert S.
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
OSL, after looking over that schematic I am skeptical. The bridge pickup volume and tone pots are wired the same as the Gibson version (for the most part) and should work but there are a couple of things in the neck pickup wiring that I am not too sure of. For one, the neck pickup split is wired to split to the south coil as is the bridge pickup so you wont be hum cancelling with both splits activated. This is not a big deal, but it is a deal. I am not even going to try to figure out the effect of this change to the other 20 coil combinations but I'm sure this creates other issues.
The neck tone pot push/pull (series link) is also highly suspect. I understand that deaf eddie is trying to work around not isolating the 2 outs from the 3 way switch but I don't see how activating the neck tone push pull gets you series between the two push pulls. All that switch does is to lift the ground and connect the neck pickups ground wire to the bridge pickups hot wire. So what you get is the neck hot running to the 3 way through the neck volume pot and the neck ground connected to the bridge hot and out the switch. With the series switch activated, the neck pickup is not connected to ground at either end. That doesn't qualify as a series connection and I don't think it will even work, let alone work as advertised.
I don't want to slam deaf eddie, but I wouldn't use that schematic. The only version of the JP wiring that I have ever known to work properly are wired like the Gibson site shows. Every attempt that I have seen that does not isolate the 2 output terminals of the 3 way or attempts to re-work the series switch (nessessary if you don't isolate the outs of the 3 way) do not work properly.
I could be wrong, but thats a lot of soldering to prove me right. Use the Gibby version, it works properly every time.
OSL, after looking over that schematic I am skeptical. The bridge pickup volume and tone pots are wired the same as the Gibson version (for the most part) and should work but there are a couple of things in the neck pickup wiring that I am not too sure of. For one, the neck pickup split is wired to split to the south coil as is the bridge pickup so you wont be hum cancelling with both splits activated. This is not a big deal, but it is a deal. I am not even going to try to figure out the effect of this change to the other 20 coil combinations but I'm sure this creates other issues.
The neck tone pot push/pull (series link) is also highly suspect. I understand that deaf eddie is trying to work around not isolating the 2 outs from the 3 way switch but I don't see how activating the neck tone push pull gets you series between the two push pulls. All that switch does is to lift the ground and connect the neck pickups ground wire to the bridge pickups hot wire. So what you get is the neck hot running to the 3 way through the neck volume pot and the neck ground connected to the bridge hot and out the switch. With the series switch activated, the neck pickup is not connected to ground at either end. That doesn't qualify as a series connection and I don't think it will even work, let alone work as advertised.
I don't want to slam deaf eddie, but I wouldn't use that schematic. The only version of the JP wiring that I have ever known to work properly are wired like the Gibson site shows. Every attempt that I have seen that does not isolate the 2 output terminals of the 3 way or attempts to re-work the series switch (nessessary if you don't isolate the outs of the 3 way) do not work properly.
I could be wrong, but thats a lot of soldering to prove me right. Use the Gibby version, it works properly every time.
Fresh_Start
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Oldslowhand
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
I've been in touch with Eddie and he's confirmed that he made a mistake in the diagram Whilst copying over his drawing for his site and I can confirm that that it now works He's Very helpfull if you have a problem Just like this site in fact. There is a list of what Every pull/pull combination will do 21 in all. Emett say's some of the problem's people get can come from the type of three way switch you have, as fitted to Epi's or if like me you to replace one. As I say he seems like a cool Bloke. :burnout:
I've been in touch with Eddie and he's confirmed that he made a mistake in the diagram Whilst copying over his drawing for his site and I can confirm that that it now works He's Very helpfull if you have a problem Just like this site in fact. There is a list of what Every pull/pull combination will do 21 in all. Emett say's some of the problem's people get can come from the type of three way switch you have, as fitted to Epi's or if like me you to replace one. As I say he seems like a cool Bloke. :burnout:
guitarmart
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Which pots did you use for your Jimmy Page mod? Will these work? http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/CPM500P
I have an Epiphone Elite LP I want to mod and someone told me I should buy 2 short & 2 long pots. I would rather use all 4 the same since these have more capabilities. Thanks!
Which pots did you use for your Jimmy Page mod? Will these work? http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/CPM500P
I have an Epiphone Elite LP I want to mod and someone told me I should buy 2 short & 2 long pots. I would rather use all 4 the same since these have more capabilities. Thanks!
Oldslowhand
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
I tried that mod and it didn't work when I Pulled the neck tone pot (for series) the Bridge P/up died, on an Epi you should be OK with four of the same pots(two Log vol and two lin tone). I did use Deaf-Eddies JP mod with an update from Eddie (I don't think Eddie has updated his wireing diagram yet )
However Robert S recomends the Gibson site as above trust him he's a wise old owl.
I tried that mod and it didn't work when I Pulled the neck tone pot (for series) the Bridge P/up died, on an Epi you should be OK with four of the same pots(two Log vol and two lin tone). I did use Deaf-Eddies JP mod with an update from Eddie (I don't think Eddie has updated his wireing diagram yet )
However Robert S recomends the Gibson site as above trust him he's a wise old owl.
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Oldslowhand
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Well It is april the 1st :jester: :beerchug:
Well It is april the 1st :jester: :beerchug:
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guitarmart
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Thanks Guys! By the way Robert I live in Metro Detroit too. Brownstown
Thanks Guys! By the way Robert I live in Metro Detroit too. Brownstown
Robert S.
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Just a little south of me guitarmart. If you are 21+ I have some cool gigs coming up in the next few weeks, it would be great to see you there. If not maybe we can hook up for a coney or something some time.
There should be a few outdoor festivals this summer as well that I'll be playing so we'll see. If you're playing out, let me know. I've been known to clap from the stands from time to time.
At any rate, welcome aboard!
Just a little south of me guitarmart. If you are 21+ I have some cool gigs coming up in the next few weeks, it would be great to see you there. If not maybe we can hook up for a coney or something some time.
There should be a few outdoor festivals this summer as well that I'll be playing so we'll see. If you're playing out, let me know. I've been known to clap from the stands from time to time.
At any rate, welcome aboard!
guitarmart
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Thanks! Maybe I will get to one of those festivals this summer. I would love to hear you play. The only place I play out is at church every Sunday, everybody is welcome.
My work is in Southfield so I get to drive through Radarford everyday. You know what I'm talking about, the Telegraph money machine.
Thanks! Maybe I will get to one of those festivals this summer. I would love to hear you play. The only place I play out is at church every Sunday, everybody is welcome.
My work is in Southfield so I get to drive through Radarford everyday. You know what I'm talking about, the Telegraph money machine.
Cory_Dylan
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
ok, so i want to do the jimmy page mod...
http://deaf-eddie.net/drawings/eb-jp-lp.jpg
this will work fine right?? with no bugs? and you've tried it?
for some reason the gibson site just won't work when i try to open wiring diagrams in .pdf
ok, so i want to do the jimmy page mod...
http://deaf-eddie.net/drawings/eb-jp-lp.jpg
this will work fine right?? with no bugs? and you've tried it?
for some reason the gibson site just won't work when i try to open wiring diagrams in .pdf
JammerMatt
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Fresh Start,
You scared the crap out of me with that diagram.
By the way, what does the Jimmy Page wiring do for you? Dumb question I know, but I've heard lots about it.
-Matt
Fresh Start,
You scared the crap out of me with that diagram.
By the way, what does the Jimmy Page wiring do for you? Dumb question I know, but I've heard lots about it.
-Matt
Fresh_Start
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Hey, I'm not the one who asked about it
Robert set me straight on this a good while ago, so I saved the link.
It does something like 21 different combinations for a dual humbucker guitar: splits, parallel/series between the pups, out-of-phase, etc. If you're really interested, I could email you the control layout that originally came from Robert - just PM me with your email.
Chip
JammerMatt said:
Hey, I'm not the one who asked about it
Robert set me straight on this a good while ago, so I saved the link.It does something like 21 different combinations for a dual humbucker guitar: splits, parallel/series between the pups, out-of-phase, etc. If you're really interested, I could email you the control layout that originally came from Robert - just PM me with your email.
Chip
JammerMatt
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Fresh,
Nah, thanks for now. I'm still figuring out standard wiring. That strat in your Avatar is absolutely beautiful. Good call!!!
Fresh,
Nah, thanks for now. I'm still figuring out standard wiring. That strat in your Avatar is absolutely beautiful. Good call!!!
Oldslowhand
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
There was a bug but Eddie sent me a fix that is now shown and it works if you want to see what it does click on the tone chart and that lists the 21 tone/split cobinations. :notworthy
Cory_Dylan said:
There was a bug but Eddie sent me a fix that is now shown and it works if you want to see what it does click on the tone chart and that lists the 21 tone/split cobinations. :notworthy
Cory_Dylan
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Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
if i understand him correctly... is this basically the standard Jimmy Page modification... only instead of the option of splitting the bridge coils it puts them in parallel? funny because just before i read that i was trying to think of a way to do that...
Oldslowhand said:
if i understand him correctly... is this basically the standard Jimmy Page modification... only instead of the option of splitting the bridge coils it puts them in parallel? funny because just before i read that i was trying to think of a way to do that...
Re: Jimmy Page Wireing
Yeah, but mine was more colourful ... :laugh2: Actually I've got that two, I don't know about any parallel arrngement on the bridge pup, as they one I got was the same as the Page original that I got from Robert S. also, I compared it to a version that I got off the web ... I made corrections as need to that one. So I have 'em stuck in a compressed folder, one is in standard schematic form, and the other in pictorial with a breakdown of the pup polarites (so you can translate it to whatever pups you are using). So if it's the original that you are referring to then Frest Start, Robert S. or myself can help you out on it, I know we all have copies.Fresh_Start said:Hey, I'm not the one who asked about it
It does something like 21 different combinations for a dual humbucker guitar: splits, parallel/series between the pups, out-of-phase, etc. If you're really interested, I could email you the control layout that originally came from Robert - just PM me with your email.
Chip
